So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
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wtf is wrong with you lot on here quoting anyone makes no difference who it is. i was just making the point THAT IF VOTING MADE ANY DIFFERENCE WE WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED ONE, as for mass immigration just watch and listen to this interview with a french man, he makes some very valid points about how mass immigration is not just economically unsustainable but also unsustainable from a enviromental point as well. food supply and enviromental damage will become far more of a issue in years to come, even the far left have awoken to the obvious
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If you quote a right wing extremist, you are likely to quote right wing propaganda. Clearly voting does make a difference, otherwise there would only ever be one government - you know, like in those right wing extremist States where the same guy somehow always wins every election with 90 odd %.
If voting didn't count, remain would have won by a clear majority. If voting didn't count, Theresa May would have increased her majority in the last election rather than being left with a hung parliament
In Oswald Mosley's world, voting doesn't count, in a democratic world, voting does count. The problem is, you fail to accept the validity of the 48% of the voters who voted against Brexit. A hard Brexit is not what the public as a whole democratically voted for! In a democracy, all goes have to count, which means you have to proportionally listen to the losers as well as the winners.
If voting didn't count, remain would have won by a clear majority. If voting didn't count, Theresa May would have increased her majority in the last election rather than being left with a hung parliament
In Oswald Mosley's world, voting doesn't count, in a democratic world, voting does count. The problem is, you fail to accept the validity of the 48% of the voters who voted against Brexit. A hard Brexit is not what the public as a whole democratically voted for! In a democracy, all goes have to count, which means you have to proportionally listen to the losers as well as the winners.
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If you quote a right wing extremist, you are likely to quote right wing propaganda. Clearly voting does make a difference, otherwise there would only ever be one government - you know, like in those right wing extremist States where the same guy somehow always wins every election with 90 odd %.
If voting didn't count, remain would have won by a clear majority. If voting didn't count, Theresa May would have increased her majority in the last election rather than being left with a hung parliament
In Oswald Mosley's world, voting doesn't count, in a democratic world, voting does count. The problem is, you fail to accept the validity of the 48% of the voters who voted against Brexit. A hard Brexit is not what the public as a whole democratically voted for! In a democracy, all goes have to count, which means you have to proportionally listen to the losers as well as the winners.
If voting didn't count, remain would have won by a clear majority. If voting didn't count, Theresa May would have increased her majority in the last election rather than being left with a hung parliament
In Oswald Mosley's world, voting doesn't count, in a democratic world, voting does count. The problem is, you fail to accept the validity of the 48% of the voters who voted against Brexit. A hard Brexit is not what the public as a whole democratically voted for! In a democracy, all goes have to count, which means you have to proportionally listen to the losers as well as the winners.
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#4055
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this woman explains perfectly why i voted brexit PLEASE WATCH AND LISTEN BEFORE COMMENTING especialy the little rant in the eu meeting about handing over soverenty
https://youtu.be/MgAg5TDXjBc the trump part the end says it all for me its just a shame the uk didn't say the same as one voice
https://youtu.be/MgAg5TDXjBc the trump part the end says it all for me its just a shame the uk didn't say the same as one voice
You seriously need to take your tin hat off and think about how bat **** crazy some of the **** you post is!
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this woman explains perfectly why i voted brexit PLEASE WATCH AND LISTEN BEFORE COMMENTING especialy the little rant in the eu meeting about handing over soverenty
https://youtu.be/MgAg5TDXjBc the trump part the end says it all for me its just a shame the uk didn't say the same as one voice
https://youtu.be/MgAg5TDXjBc the trump part the end says it all for me its just a shame the uk didn't say the same as one voice
So you linked a video to some random woman in her garage or whatever talking about her views. Obviously she is a specialist speaker on the EU leave dilemma
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this woman explains perfectly why i voted brexit PLEASE WATCH AND LISTEN BEFORE COMMENTING especialy the little rant in the eu meeting about handing over soverenty
https://youtu.be/MgAg5TDXjBc the trump part the end says it all for me its just a shame the uk didn't say the same as one voice
https://youtu.be/MgAg5TDXjBc the trump part the end says it all for me its just a shame the uk didn't say the same as one voice
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The problem is, you fail to accept the validity of the 48% of the voters who voted against Brexit. A hard Brexit is not what the public as a whole democratically voted for! In a democracy, all goes have to count, which means you have to proportionally listen to the losers as well as the winners.
Lets take another similar voting example but on a much smaller scale, a courtroom for instance.
Lets imagine a jury voted to convict a murderer by 52% with 48% against. Does that mean he's only slightly guilty? What if it was in a country with the death penalty, do you just execute him a bit?
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this woman explains perfectly why i voted brexit PLEASE WATCH AND LISTEN BEFORE COMMENTING especialy the little rant in the eu meeting about handing over soverenty
https://youtu.be/MgAg5TDXjBc the trump part the end says it all for me its just a shame the uk didn't say the same as one voice
https://youtu.be/MgAg5TDXjBc the trump part the end says it all for me its just a shame the uk didn't say the same as one voice
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Why do you think they should be disregarded? My city voted 62% remain, my ward 86% remain. Similar story in many other cities. Do you really expect us to quietly go away, when we believe it's our present and our children's future at stake? This isn't democracy, it's mob rule, and I'll bet the mob has thinned out considerably in the last 2 years.
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Why do you think they should be disregarded? My city voted 62% remain, my ward 86% remain. Similar story in many other cities. Do you really expect us to quietly go away, when we believe it's our present and our children's future at stake? This isn't democracy, it's mob rule, and I'll bet the mob has thinned out considerably in the last 2 years.
Its the exact same scenario here in Scotland. Nicola the Fish says Scotland didn't vote for brexit. However what she fails to consider is that Scotland was not voting autonomously, but as part of the UK as a whole. Its the same with your city/ward.
The majority have spoken. Its happening, so we just need to deal with whatever comes, bad or good.
Would you say the country should have referendum after referendum until we get the correct answer? Does that not make a mockery of democracy?
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Why should the losers views be heard? I don't agree.
Lets take another similar voting example but on a much smaller scale, a courtroom for instance.
Lets imagine a jury voted to convict a murderer by 52% with 48% against. Does that mean he's only slightly guilty? What if it was in a country with the death penalty, do you just execute him a bit?
Lets take another similar voting example but on a much smaller scale, a courtroom for instance.
Lets imagine a jury voted to convict a murderer by 52% with 48% against. Does that mean he's only slightly guilty? What if it was in a country with the death penalty, do you just execute him a bit?
#4063
Why do you think they should be disregarded? My city voted 62% remain, my ward 86% remain. Similar story in many other cities. Do you really expect us to quietly go away, when we believe it's our present and our children's future at stake? This isn't democracy, it's mob rule, and I'll bet the mob has thinned out considerably in the last 2 years.
We've had general elections less than this far apart, was that undemocratic?
The country is divided anyway, may as well be divided but economically sound
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So what if it had been the other way round, would you still feel the same if the brexiteers were demanding their say? Its not mob rule, its majority rule.
Its the exact same scenario here in Scotland. Nicola the Fish says Scotland didn't vote for brexit. However what she fails to consider is that Scotland was not voting autonomously, but as part of the UK as a whole. Its the same with your city/ward.
The majority have spoken. Its happening, so we just need to deal with whatever comes, bad or good.
Would you say the country should have referendum after referendum until we get the correct answer? Does that not make a mockery of democracy?
Its the exact same scenario here in Scotland. Nicola the Fish says Scotland didn't vote for brexit. However what she fails to consider is that Scotland was not voting autonomously, but as part of the UK as a whole. Its the same with your city/ward.
The majority have spoken. Its happening, so we just need to deal with whatever comes, bad or good.
Would you say the country should have referendum after referendum until we get the correct answer? Does that not make a mockery of democracy?
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Its not mob rule, its majority rule.
Its the exact same scenario here in Scotland. Nicola the Fish says Scotland didn't vote for brexit. However what she fails to consider is that Scotland was not voting autonomously, but as part of the UK as a whole. Its the same with your city/ward.
The majority have spoken. Its happening, so we just need to deal with whatever comes, bad or good.
Would you say the country should have referendum after referendum until we get the correct answer? Does that not make a mockery of democracy?
Its the exact same scenario here in Scotland. Nicola the Fish says Scotland didn't vote for brexit. However what she fails to consider is that Scotland was not voting autonomously, but as part of the UK as a whole. Its the same with your city/ward.
The majority have spoken. Its happening, so we just need to deal with whatever comes, bad or good.
Would you say the country should have referendum after referendum until we get the correct answer? Does that not make a mockery of democracy?
#4068
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Why should the losers views be heard? I don't agree.
Lets take another similar voting example but on a much smaller scale, a courtroom for instance.
Lets imagine a jury voted to convict a murderer by 52% with 48% against. Does that mean he's only slightly guilty? What if it was in a country with the death penalty, do you just execute him a bit?
Lets take another similar voting example but on a much smaller scale, a courtroom for instance.
Lets imagine a jury voted to convict a murderer by 52% with 48% against. Does that mean he's only slightly guilty? What if it was in a country with the death penalty, do you just execute him a bit?
In a general election, the strength of the opposition determines the ability for a government to pass legislation with or without amendments. Its a principle of our democracy that the losing side still has to be heard and the the amount they are heard is directly related to the split of the votes. To completely ignore the remain vote is in itself undemocratic which is why the remain supporters are now fighting back.
Most remainers would accept the referendum result of the deal took into account the closeness of the vote and proportionally considered both sides. In such a decisive subject, is clear no deal can be reached without compromise. The country is split and the remain side have been ignored, the country cannot be united unless both sides are taken into consideration.
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The time for 'sides' should have finished 2 years ago.
All that matters now is a decent route through all this.
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So yes, as near as dammit 50/50. You dwell on the tiny percentage difference, yet ignore the enormity of the fact that half the population disagrees with the other half regarding the future of the UK. That's a pretty big deal, and for anyone to suggest that only one half should have a say is, at best, naive.
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So yes, as near as dammit 50/50. You dwell on the tiny percentage difference, yet ignore the enormity of the fact that half the population disagrees with the other half regarding the future of the UK. That's a pretty big deal, and for anyone to suggest that only one half should have a say is, at best, naive.
The UK voted out.
Whats that saying, 'Suck it up'
Remainers lost and should accept it so. But as we can see many are trying to thwart the process and stop the UK leaving, There lays the problem
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If it really was a , Serious count / decision to make then a 100 quid fine for not voting would have been imposed !
It's a farce
It's a farce
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#4076
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The remainers try to dismiss it, but for them it was pitched as a once in a lifetime decision, no going back, in our out.
The UK voted out.
Whats that saying, 'Suck it up'
Remainers lost and should accept it so. But as we can see many are trying to thwart the process and stop the UK leaving, There lays the problem
The UK voted out.
Whats that saying, 'Suck it up'
Remainers lost and should accept it so. But as we can see many are trying to thwart the process and stop the UK leaving, There lays the problem
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It may of passed you by, but its not a big deal at all, the Irish arent going to put up a border, even in the event of No deal. The EU arent planning on a border. It was a huge ruse to trap the UK in a lock to the EU.
The issue will melt away if the UK can leave with no deal.
The issue will melt away if the UK can leave with no deal.
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Oh my God, seriously? I've heard it all now, the EU was the master plan of the ****'s and is a fascist mechanism to create the Germanization of Europe. Funny how she forgets that famous **** fascist Winston Churchill's United States of Europe speech. Funny how she forgets the **** pursuit of the Asian race.
You seriously need to take your tin hat off and think about how bat **** crazy some of the **** you post is!
You seriously need to take your tin hat off and think about how bat **** crazy some of the **** you post is!
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It may of passed you by, but its not a big deal at all, the Irish arent going to put up a border, even in the event of No deal. The EU arent planning on a border. It was a huge ruse to trap the UK in a lock to the EU.
The issue will melt away if the UK can leave with no deal.
The issue will melt away if the UK can leave with no deal.