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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 09:14 AM
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I guess this is the way it works
No I am afraid that is not how it works

that's why "Climate" is viewed as regionally averaged weather over a period of time and Global Climate is averaged over the entire planet

not what is happening outside your window at that current moment
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 11:01 AM
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No I am afraid that is not how it works

that's why "Climate" is viewed as regionally averaged weather over a period of time and Global Climate is averaged over the entire planet

not what is happening outside your window at that current moment

The real question, never satisfactorily answered (in my view); is it attributable to nature or nurture (lack of)?
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 11:25 AM
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The real question, never satisfactorily answered (in my view); is it attributable to nature or nurture (lack of)?
well the science is pretty simple and pretty clear

C02 is a greenhouse gas, more of it will cause the earths climate to trap more heat - this is basic physics and has been known for over a hundred years

attributing any single weather event to AGW / Climate change is obviously tricky due to the enormous inherent natural variability of the climate, other factors are involved - natural oscillations in climate, the sun, aerosols, volcanic eruptions etc etc etc

but the basic theory predicts drier regions will get drier, wetter regions will get wetter, winters will warm more than summers, nights will warm faster than days, the Northern Hemisphere will warm faster than the SH and finally the Arctic will warm fastest of all the regions, - and that is what the DATA shows (unless it is all a conspiracy!!!!!)

The overall increase in the earths global average temperature is attributable to the increase in CO2 - and humans have caused this increase in CO2

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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Paben
The real question, never satisfactorily answered (in my view); is it attributable to nature or nurture (lack of)?
That's because ultimately it's a little of column A and a little of column B.
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 02:00 PM
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So what was the reason for the Summer of 1976?
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 02:10 PM
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So what was the reason for the Summer of 1976?
natural variability of the weather

yes we had an unusually hot summer - did the rest of Europe, did Asia, did the Southern Hemisphere, did Australia? what about South America?

it is called Global Warming/Climate change for a reason

in 2010 we had one of the harshest winters I can remember - my car temp gauge did not break above freezing for about 3 months

yet 2010 was one of the warmest years for the planet in the Global temperature record
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 02:16 PM
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What about the natural effect of volcano's, sun flares, El Nino etc have to play in all this.

I take it that Climate Change making the Ozone layer above the Antarctic get smaller?
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 02:55 PM
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That poor squaddie dying in Brecon.

Still I suppose that's what you need to get through if you're to cope with 52 in basra
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
What about the natural effect of volcano's, sun flares, El Nino etc have to play in all this.

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what about them - they all play a part in the natural variation of the climate

some to a large extent i,e the Sun, some to a lesser extent

the Sun is the major driver over the long term (in Geological timeframes) - every single climate scientists agrees with this


but it can't explain the recent warming - because solar activity measured by something called TSI (Total Solar Irradiance) has been flat or slightly falling over the last 30 odd years
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 03:35 PM
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That poor squaddie dying in Brecon.

Still I suppose that's what you need to get through if you're to cope with 52 in basra

He was no squaddie but a corporal on a Sergeant's Battle Course. These things happen and always have done despite what the media tries to make of it.
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Paben
He was no squaddie but a corporal on a Sergeant's Battle Course. These things happen and always have done despite what the media tries to make of it.
I believe he collapsed once back at the Army base

maybe he had some sort of underlying undiagnosed health issue
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
well the science is pretty simple and pretty clear

C02 is a greenhouse gas, more of it will cause the earths climate to trap more heat - this is basic physics and has been known for over a hundred years

attributing any single weather event to AGW / Climate change is obviously tricky due to the enormous inherent natural variability of the climate, other factors are involved - natural oscillations in climate, the sun, aerosols, volcanic eruptions etc etc etc

but the basic theory predicts drier regions will get drier, wetter regions will get wetter, winters will warm more than summers, nights will warm faster than days, the Northern Hemisphere will warm faster than the SH and finally the Arctic will warm fastest of all the regions, - and that is what the DATA shows (unless it is all a conspiracy!!!!!)

The overall increase in the earths global average temperature is attributable to the increase in CO2 - and humans have caused this increase in CO2
Ah...NOW you get it!
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
I believe he collapsed once back at the Army base

maybe he had some sort of underlying undiagnosed health issue

In recent times more British troops have died in accidents, especially RTAs, than in battle.
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 06:18 PM
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Appears worldwide peeps aernt getting enough vitamin D through lack sunshine .....
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 06:49 PM
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Ah...NOW you get it!

yes its all a conspiracy

I would be disappointed if you didn't believe that

my own bit of confirmation bias - but then no one is perfect

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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Paben
In recent times more British troops have died in accidents, especially RTAs, than in battle.
not even in recent times

I made a post a few years ago about the fact that it took 3 or 4 weeks of fighting in France (in 1944) for the combat causalities to overtake casualties (accidents etc) encountered in the training for the invasion

soldiering is a dangerous business combat or not
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Old Jul 21, 2016 | 09:37 PM
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You haven't scientifically explained the link between...

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
well the science is pretty simple and pretty clear

C02 is a greenhouse gas, more of it will cause the earths climate to trap more heat - this is basic physics and has been known for over a hundred years

attributing any single weather event to AGW / Climate change is obviously tricky due to the enormous inherent natural variability of the climate, other factors are involved - natural oscillations in climate, the sun, aerosols, volcanic eruptions etc etc etc

but the basic theory predicts drier regions will get drier, wetter regions will get wetter, winters will warm more than summers, nights will warm faster than days, the Northern Hemisphere will warm faster than the SH and finally the Arctic will warm fastest of all the regions, - and that is what the DATA shows (unless it is all a conspiracy!!!!!)
and

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
The overall increase in the earths global average temperature is attributable to the increase in CO2 - and humans have caused this increase in CO2
Correlation does not imply causation!

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Old Jul 22, 2016 | 08:51 AM
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I still remember being told by so-called climate scientists, on TV, that the French Med coast would be desert and the UK south coast of Mediterranean climate by 2015.

The SELF-SAME scientists who fed us all bullsh!t about the impending ice age in the late 70's...YOU know, the one from which only 30% of the world's population woukld survive?

THOSE scientists?
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Old Jul 22, 2016 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by boomer
You haven't scientifically explained the link between...


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Correlation does not imply causation!

mb
what needs explaining

the rise in CO2
its cause

or the increase in global temperatures
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Old Jul 22, 2016 | 09:41 AM
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I still remember being told by so-called climate scientists, on TV, that the French Med coast would be desert and the UK south coast of Mediterranean climate by 2015.
what some scientist may or may not have said on a TV does not change the laws of physics



Originally Posted by alcazar
The SELF-SAME scientists who fed us all bullsh!t about the impending ice age in the late 70's...YOU know, the one from which only 30% of the world's population woukld survive?

THOSE scientists?
ok, your peddling global cooling myth

there was a period of global cooling in the 60/70's - mainly due to the excessive industrial pollution

a few scientist thought that it was a cause for concern - and it made headline in the papers etc

but the overwhelming majority of scientists were warning of warming due to the increase in CO2 - which by now was known to be a green house gas


scientific studies have looked in to this myth - you can download and read them


http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/131047.pdf

from the paper



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Old Jul 22, 2016 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
That poor squaddie dying in Brecon.

Still I suppose that's what you need to get through if you're to cope with 52 in basra
Who died in camp after a squadded run, with full medical and vehicle support, and the run was first thing in the morning started about 0700 hrs, temperatures about 16/18 max. A very tragic accident and my thoughts are with his family.

And we have left Basrah but have soldiers deployed up country in a training role, so hotter again

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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 09:37 PM
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43c when I got in the car yesterday. I do worry a bit when the missus is out doing bootcamp exercise classes in this heat but she drinks lots of water (not too much, mind).

I'll take a hot as f@ck day over a cold one, that's for sure.
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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 10:46 PM
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Temperatures in the middle east are hitting 129 Fahrenheit - 54c
Could be the highest ever recorded temps in our history of the planet

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ybe-the-world/


https://blog.metoffice.gov.uk/

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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 10:51 PM
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This heat is incredibly into itself. It's hedonistic.

lol
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Old Jul 24, 2016 | 07:43 AM
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Yes, kind of ok until you actually want to do any real work . !

Then you need start your day at 5 and finish by 11
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Old Jul 24, 2016 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Temperatures in the middle east are hitting 129 Fahrenheit - 54c
Could be the highest ever recorded temps in our history of the planet

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ybe-the-world/


https://blog.metoffice.gov.uk/
That's pretty hot!

I'll admit, wearing a full suit in 40+ degrees can get a little uncomfortable - I can't imagine what it'd be like in 54c!
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