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29 June 2016, 01:47 PM
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I believe the West Country has received quite a lot - 60 million a year for 10 years according to the below
"John Pollard, the leader of Cornwall council said: “Now that we know the UK will be leaving the EU we will be taking urgent steps to ensure that the UK Government protects Cornwall’s position in any negotiations.
“We will be insisting that Cornwall receives investment equal to that provided by the EU programme which has averaged £60m per year over the last ten years.”
"John Pollard, the leader of Cornwall council said: “Now that we know the UK will be leaving the EU we will be taking urgent steps to ensure that the UK Government protects Cornwall’s position in any negotiations.
“We will be insisting that Cornwall receives investment equal to that provided by the EU programme which has averaged £60m per year over the last ten years.”
29 June 2016, 02:23 PM
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Seeing you have some facts.
I want to ask you...becuase to be honest I struggle getting a stright figure......
Of the money comming to the UK from the EU to spend on "farmers and poorer regions" (£4billion last year). On aggregate, what propertion of that sum, and the cumulative over, say 20years, has been spent on which part of the country? (London, Cardiff, Devon etc).
With exception to Wales, you may find a good correlation.
I want to ask you...becuase to be honest I struggle getting a stright figure......
Of the money comming to the UK from the EU to spend on "farmers and poorer regions" (£4billion last year). On aggregate, what propertion of that sum, and the cumulative over, say 20years, has been spent on which part of the country? (London, Cardiff, Devon etc).
With exception to Wales, you may find a good correlation.
What I do know, is for regional development, Wales, Cornwall, Scotland and Northern Ireland have all been net receivers of money for a prolonged period. I read somewhere that net EU membership costs each person in the UK 35p/day, so that means each of these regions has received more than 35p/person/day from EU funds. The North of England has also benefited greatly, but possible still a net contributor. Liverpool stands out as a key benefactor from EU money, largely from being EU city of culture which brought with it massive investments. The EU doesn't fund regional development in well funded areas, so certainly London will have gotten nothing (or very little!).
You can probably quite easily find the farming and fishing subsidies for the UK, but how that money is distributed regionally will be more difficult to find out.
As a general rule, rural areas benefit from EU more than urban areas, which is quite a good thing as the UK government historically has tended to invest in urban areas more than rural. This could be part of the problem that a large part of the UK population don't see the benefits of EU investment, while a minority, albeit often those who need it the most, see quite a lot of benefits!
Liverpool and most of the Merseyside regions voted convincingly for remain, as did Scotland and Northern Ireland, so Wales and Cornwall are the real surprise as the net benefitters who voted out. Wales was perhaps swung by the Steel crisis, I can't explain why Cornwall voted out!
30 June 2016, 07:52 AM
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That would take a lot of googling to find out! I'm sure all the info is out there, but I doubt it is correlated in such a way to answer you question with one easy to find source I could link to!
What I do know, is for regional development, Wales, Cornwall, Scotland and Northern Ireland have all been net receivers of money for a prolonged period. I read somewhere that net EU membership costs each person in the UK 35p/day, so that means each of these regions has received more than 35p/person/day from EU funds. The North of England has also benefited greatly, but possible still a net contributor. Liverpool stands out as a key benefactor from EU money, largely from being EU city of culture which brought with it massive investments. The EU doesn't fund regional development in well funded areas, so certainly London will have gotten nothing (or very little!).
You can probably quite easily find the farming and fishing subsidies for the UK, but how that money is distributed regionally will be more difficult to find out.
As a general rule, rural areas benefit from EU more than urban areas, which is quite a good thing as the UK government historically has tended to invest in urban areas more than rural. This could be part of the problem that a large part of the UK population don't see the benefits of EU investment, while a minority, albeit often those who need it the most, see quite a lot of benefits!
Liverpool and most of the Merseyside regions voted convincingly for remain, as did Scotland and Northern Ireland, so Wales and Cornwall are the real surprise as the net benefitters who voted out. Wales was perhaps swung by the Steel crisis, I can't explain why Cornwall voted out!
What I do know, is for regional development, Wales, Cornwall, Scotland and Northern Ireland have all been net receivers of money for a prolonged period. I read somewhere that net EU membership costs each person in the UK 35p/day, so that means each of these regions has received more than 35p/person/day from EU funds. The North of England has also benefited greatly, but possible still a net contributor. Liverpool stands out as a key benefactor from EU money, largely from being EU city of culture which brought with it massive investments. The EU doesn't fund regional development in well funded areas, so certainly London will have gotten nothing (or very little!).
You can probably quite easily find the farming and fishing subsidies for the UK, but how that money is distributed regionally will be more difficult to find out.
As a general rule, rural areas benefit from EU more than urban areas, which is quite a good thing as the UK government historically has tended to invest in urban areas more than rural. This could be part of the problem that a large part of the UK population don't see the benefits of EU investment, while a minority, albeit often those who need it the most, see quite a lot of benefits!
Liverpool and most of the Merseyside regions voted convincingly for remain, as did Scotland and Northern Ireland, so Wales and Cornwall are the real surprise as the net benefitters who voted out. Wales was perhaps swung by the Steel crisis, I can't explain why Cornwall voted out!
Yeah, it's a tricky one. Best I could come up with is this for funded projects:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/erdf-pro...funded-by-erdf
I've not looked at it all but may do when I have some time (and a bigger screen
) but on a casual glance it showed the West Midlands had a lot of funding in its higher education institutes - Universities, science/technology parks. With the likes of the two biggest Unis in the area being their own isolated communities (with their own polling stations etc). It's no surprise now that central Birmingham Voted "IN" whilst all the surrounding areas voted "OUT". IIRC the ethnic mix is about 40%, mostly ex-commonwealth and Asia. And for London which has its own listings:
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/defa...t_mar_2016.pdf
Which the "Jessica Holding fund" raised an eyebrow (£60,000,000 on green based initiative)....hardly a transparent use of funds.
NET figures I think don't give the truest image by just basing it on GDP per capita, or GVA unless it's the figures over a time span and can be used to show the areas in decline or boom, maybe combine that with employment levels.
The end aim is to test the theory that EU funding that has gone to various regions has been spent on the best interest and benefit of the local population. As that I feel is indirectly related to the overall feeling and sentiment of the EU in those regions.
30 June 2016, 08:57 AM
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I saw a TV report about a Scottish island community off the west coast, can't remember the name. They had received quite a lot of funding to improve the road access, including a bridge to the mainland (previously ferry only) and road widening.
Obviously it made life easier for the locals and there had also been a marked increase in tourism to the island, but it was also done several years ago and the people had got used to the changes and didn't really think about it any more, as if it was always like that!
I think many of the projects, whilst having a long term benefit, are quickly forgotten!
Obviously it made life easier for the locals and there had also been a marked increase in tourism to the island, but it was also done several years ago and the people had got used to the changes and didn't really think about it any more, as if it was always like that!
I think many of the projects, whilst having a long term benefit, are quickly forgotten!
30 June 2016, 09:10 AM
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I saw a TV report about a Scottish island community off the west coast, can't remember the name. They had received quite a lot of funding to improve the road access, including a bridge to the mainland (previously ferry only) and road widening.
Obviously it made life easier for the locals and there had also been a marked increase in tourism to the island, but it was also done several years ago and the people had got used to the changes and didn't really think about it any more, as if it was always like that!
I think many of the projects, whilst having a long term benefit, are quickly forgotten!
Obviously it made life easier for the locals and there had also been a marked increase in tourism to the island, but it was also done several years ago and the people had got used to the changes and didn't really think about it any more, as if it was always like that!
I think many of the projects, whilst having a long term benefit, are quickly forgotten!
They voted almost unanimously not to join the EU in the original referendum (1975?). But since then, as you say, have had numerous benfits from the EU community to improve their infrastructure. As an island community with a local economy based mostly on fishing they have also had to deal with some of the negative aspects of membership such as the fishing quotas.
Just goes to show there is good and bad in everything to do with the EU, but I think on balance they thought they were better off in than out.
30 June 2016, 10:28 AM
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Cornwall are a weird lot. They seem to think they would benefit from independence and have done for years but in reality they would be far worse off. Unless they can generate enough income from tolls on the borders from all those VW camper vans and weekend surfers 
30 June 2016, 10:37 AM
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I too saw this, I think it was the Orkneys.
They voted almost unanimously not to join the EU in the original referendum (1975?). But since then, as you say, have had numerous benfits from the EU community to improve their infrastructure. As an island community with a local economy based mostly on fishing they have also had to deal with some of the negative aspects of membership such as the fishing quotas.
Just goes to show there is good and bad in everything to do with the EU, but I think on balance they thought they were better off in than out.
They voted almost unanimously not to join the EU in the original referendum (1975?). But since then, as you say, have had numerous benfits from the EU community to improve their infrastructure. As an island community with a local economy based mostly on fishing they have also had to deal with some of the negative aspects of membership such as the fishing quotas.
Just goes to show there is good and bad in everything to do with the EU, but I think on balance they thought they were better off in than out.
30 June 2016, 10:43 AM
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30 June 2016, 10:47 AM
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30 June 2016, 11:31 AM
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Gove has thrown his hat in the ring after stabbing BoJo in the back.
Don't like Gove, sounds too much like BLiar when he speaks, couldn't trust him.
Maybe it is time we had another woman PM.
Don't like Gove, sounds too much like BLiar when he speaks, couldn't trust him.
Maybe it is time we had another woman PM.
30 June 2016, 12:16 PM
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30 June 2016, 01:00 PM
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30 June 2016, 01:01 PM
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That's been the problem all along. Rather than scare us, and send us all 16 pages of patronising fire kindling. It should have been targeted individually at what it has done for each local community...what it has done, built or funded on a local scale. As opposed to the generalised non-specific information that was peddled to the public in all of the recent campaigns.
I would have loved to say this is a lesson they should learn that using media spin to counter opposing media spin does not work and has monumentaly backfired.
Yet still, today they are spinning. They (politicians) will never learn.
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30 June 2016, 01:05 PM
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She certainly got slammed down by various ministers the other day, laughable attempt. Now she has been put in her place, I bet her mission will now be to spend all her energy in blocking the exit of the UK from the EU. Doubt that will work either but that wont stop her being a PITA.
30 June 2016, 01:07 PM
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UNless I missed it posted....(edit sorry Andy: I missed your post)
Its not going to be Boris; He's pulled out.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36672591
I'm guessing alot of BOJO fans are going to be upset (I'm not one of them )
Its not going to be Boris; He's pulled out.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36672591
I'm guessing alot of BOJO fans are going to be upset (I'm not one of them
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30 June 2016, 01:09 PM
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So now we have the unedifying sight of people who've lied to the country for the last 4 months, stabbing each other in the back.
Boris was destroyed by his own self-doubt. As some of us have been saying all along he never really believed the UK should leave, now the hard-core brexiteers have taken him out. I for one will not shed a tear.
I recoil at the thought of any of the liars becoming our PM.
If only we have an opposition.
Boris was destroyed by his own self-doubt. As some of us have been saying all along he never really believed the UK should leave, now the hard-core brexiteers have taken him out. I for one will not shed a tear.
I recoil at the thought of any of the liars becoming our PM.
If only we have an opposition.
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30 June 2016, 01:18 PM
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That's been the problem all along. Rather than scare us, and send us all 16 pages of patronising fire kindling. It should have been targeted individually at what it has done for each local community...what it has done, built or funded on a local scale. As opposed to the generalised non-specific information that was peddled to the public in all of the recent campaigns.
I would have loved to say this is a lesson they should learn that using media spin to counter opposing media spin does not work and has monumentaly backfired.
Yet still, today they are spinning. They (politicians) will never learn.
I would have loved to say this is a lesson they should learn that using media spin to counter opposing media spin does not work and has monumentaly backfired.
Yet still, today they are spinning. They (politicians) will never learn.
30 June 2016, 01:30 PM
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If the voters cast their votes in ignorance then the distance between the two will shrink at some point.
30 June 2016, 01:40 PM
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It wasn't a bullet - it was a knife in the back "et tu Goveum"
Serves the lying traitor right. But surely with his London contacts he could get a job as a bus driver? Do they still employ whites?
David
PS. The answer of course would be to kick out Osborn and persuade Cameron to stay on.
30 June 2016, 01:51 PM
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I think you are crediting Boris with an ounce of something other than a self-serving interest.
He knows that the next PM's position is toxic and that they will not last into a second term. The only chance he has of having two full terms is to not take the position up now.
The man is a narcissistic coward.
He knows that the next PM's position is toxic and that they will not last into a second term. The only chance he has of having two full terms is to not take the position up now.
The man is a narcissistic coward.
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30 June 2016, 01:56 PM
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I always had a regard for Bo Jo up until this referendum. I was suprised he chose to front the Leave campaign, but that's not what changed my opinion of him.
I think by ducking out of the leadership challenge he's let his supporters and the country in general down very badly by shirking his resposibility as one of the Brexit leaders to re-establish some unity.
No doubt he will say he withdrew to prevent further division with the party, but I think this is no more than a cowardly and scheming withdrawal.
I think by ducking out of the leadership challenge he's let his supporters and the country in general down very badly by shirking his resposibility as one of the Brexit leaders to re-establish some unity.
No doubt he will say he withdrew to prevent further division with the party, but I think this is no more than a cowardly and scheming withdrawal.