Are knackered Subarus faster?
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My mates 2005 wrx with circa 300bhp gets left by my 370bhp 440ftlbs hawk Sti, and every time he's in my car he wishes his pulled like mine!
So I also don't believe a 330bhp wrx will keep up with a 450 Sti!!
Did some number crunching on power to weight ratios between the Sti and wrx.
A uk 2005 wrx weighs 1390kg
A uk 2005 Sti weighs 1470kg
If both cars had 265 bhp that would give a bhp per ton of
190.6 bhp for the wrx
180.2 bhp for the Sti.
The wrx would have a 10.4bhp power to weight advantage. Hardly enough to destroy a Sti!
A longer gear ratio on the wrx would mean it would have a slower in gear acceleration than the Sti, but would hit a higher speed in that gear,
Think I'll take the extra weight knowing I've got the stronger gearbox, limited slip diffs and bigger brakes.
So I also don't believe a 330bhp wrx will keep up with a 450 Sti!!
Did some number crunching on power to weight ratios between the Sti and wrx.
A uk 2005 wrx weighs 1390kg
A uk 2005 Sti weighs 1470kg
If both cars had 265 bhp that would give a bhp per ton of
190.6 bhp for the wrx
180.2 bhp for the Sti.
The wrx would have a 10.4bhp power to weight advantage. Hardly enough to destroy a Sti!
A longer gear ratio on the wrx would mean it would have a slower in gear acceleration than the Sti, but would hit a higher speed in that gear,
Think I'll take the extra weight knowing I've got the stronger gearbox, limited slip diffs and bigger brakes.
The heavier gearbox, clutch, mega power robbing bigger box oil pump assembly, larger brakes and a few other STI only goodies mean less power makes it to the STI wheels so in theory:
190.6 bhp for the wrx is 160 atw
180.2 bhp for the Sti is 140 atw
Then there's the argument about launching with a lighter STI flywheel and mods making more power for the WRX through less tranny losses.
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From: Newcastle. 330bhp-289lb/ft @ 1bar boost - 12.4s @ 105mph
Up your power a bit, then I'd think you were fair game. As it stands, my car would **** all over yours with less power. 
Jay will pay your entry for TOTB, someone pays mine, I'll prove it.
ETA: Should that happen, someone paying both entries and you actually turning up, I might event change the winter tyres off my venoms for the sake of it.
Jay will pay your entry for TOTB, someone pays mine, I'll prove it.
ETA: Should that happen, someone paying both entries and you actually turning up, I might event change the winter tyres off my venoms for the sake of it.
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Up your power a bit, then I'd think you were fair game. As it stands, my car would **** all over yours with less power.
Jay will pay your entry for TOTB, someone pays mine, I'll prove it.
ETA: Should that happen, someone paying both entries and you actually turning up, I might event change the winter tyres off my venoms for the sake of it.
Jay will pay your entry for TOTB, someone pays mine, I'll prove it.
ETA: Should that happen, someone paying both entries and you actually turning up, I might event change the winter tyres off my venoms for the sake of it.
I did always think less grippy tyres were better for lower powered 4x4's drag racing so I kinda stuck with them :/
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I've only raced one Newage STI at the strip and it was EMB's old car running big power.
I'm 0-1 down against Newage STI's, ironically.
Obviously I took the lead and have the slip to prove it, but he flew past me like I was parked at half way.
I'm 0-1 down against Newage STI's, ironically.
Obviously I took the lead and have the slip to prove it, but he flew past me like I was parked at half way.
I have noticed when I do my WRX V STI newage battle threads a lot of People want to settle thing by racing me in their 500hp Classic.
One guy wanted to race me in his 500hp Classic WRX to prove the Newage STI was quicker then the Newage WRX!!
...and they say I'm mad!
I'll just get my mate to bring his R1 out to settle things once and for all. I think the STI fanboys have taken 'Born to race' too literally. It had a top mount, 9.9secs can't be done!!!!!! Unless it was Fat-Thomas whupping his wife's 215hp Bugeye WRX in his 430hp Blob STI that has created SN WRX denial?
One guy wanted to race me in his 500hp Classic WRX to prove the Newage STI was quicker then the Newage WRX!!
...and they say I'm mad!
I'll just get my mate to bring his R1 out to settle things once and for all. I think the STI fanboys have taken 'Born to race' too literally. It had a top mount, 9.9secs can't be done!!!!!! Unless it was Fat-Thomas whupping his wife's 215hp Bugeye WRX in his 430hp Blob STI that has created SN WRX denial?
You bang on about all the haters, I have given you the opportunity to go prove yourself to all the haters on here, and you are too chicken **** to go out there and race. To be honest any credibility you had and respect is gone, don't claim things and when you get called out back down...
I want you to put up or shut up. I am sick to the back teeth of your bull****, go race or stop posting your ludicrous claims and stories because it makes you look a fool.
how long ago was it as I know the lad who bought it and the person who had it until 6 months ago, was only running bigish power with one owner a couple or three years back.
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From: Berks
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Is this guy serious or what ? Who races til 60 mph who even cares, wrx suck donkey ****, if u mod it, it ain't standard is it, so why compare it to a standard STi, go shove your magical sh1-- t box up were the sun don't shine, no one cares about you and time attack beating piece of crap, I'm sick of reading your constant crap ruining this site turning everything about how the wrx is so fast, it doesn't even need brembo brakes, or even slip diffs, what sort of clown are you.
true, good point my odo is still in km. will just have to trust the sneaky japs
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As for the tyres less grip means less rolling resistance, or it used to.
From the transfer case. Within the transmission, as much as 30 to 40 percent of power loss can be attributed to the pump, with the clutch contributing another 20 to 25 percent. The rest of the loss within the transmission comes from seal drag, gear meshing, bearings, bushings and windage (drag on the gears caused by the gear oil).
As for the tyres less grip means less rolling resistance, or it used to.
As for the tyres less grip means less rolling resistance, or it used to.
What are you talking about, never seen so much rubbish from you, why this whole thread is not binned is beyond me, its really not worth commenting or even trying to even educate you on, you just blindly spout rubbish plucked from nowhere, with no backup.
OK, this is getting silly now...... just came back to check the ignore function works and it doesn't! I can still see it, any advice appreciated.
Ill get onto a mod about why not.
Matt, the wrx vs sti debate is just boring as **** so not even going to lower myself to comment ...... That last post though is just complete BS!
Whats your qualification by the way? im guessing it has nowt to do with cars, engineering, physics or common sense.
Ill get onto a mod about why not.
Matt, the wrx vs sti debate is just boring as **** so not even going to lower myself to comment ...... That last post though is just complete BS!
Whats your qualification by the way? im guessing it has nowt to do with cars, engineering, physics or common sense.
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The article had no STI/WRX agenda.
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From the transfer case. Within the transmission, as much as 30 to 40 percent of power loss can be attributed to the pump, with the clutch contributing another 20 to 25 percent. The rest of the loss within the transmission comes from seal drag, gear meshing, bearings, bushings and windage (drag on the gears caused by the gear oil).
As for the tyres less grip means less rolling resistance, or it used to.
As for the tyres less grip means less rolling resistance, or it used to.
As for the comment about tyres, given most of your time is made/lost in the first 60 foot to 1/8 mile then surely that logic is obviously wrong?
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You do realise we're talking miniscule differences here right? It's not like we're talking the difference between FWD and 4WD, we're talking the difference between a 4WD 5 speed open diff and a 4WD 6 speed variable diff.
As for the comment about tyres, given most of your time is made/lost in the first 60 foot to 1/8 mile then surely that logic is obviously wrong?
As for the comment about tyres, given most of your time is made/lost in the first 60 foot to 1/8 mile then surely that logic is obviously wrong?
Is it just me
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I'm clearly loosing a battle against STI fanboys and the arbitrarily way they see things but I'm talking about the sum of all parts and a 300lbft 4x4 Impreza should have no issues with a good 0-60 foot in decent drag day conditions so you can afford to run slightly cheaper and or slightly over-inflated tyres.
Is it just me
Is it just me
Your're arguing with other WRX owners like myself, so STI fanboy doesn't even come into it. This is purely about your unsupported factless idiot opinions we are talking about here now.
Your comments above show clearly that you have never seriously drag raced a car.
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Give it up for christ sake! STOP with the STI/WRX b0llocks and stop with the STI fanboy rubbish.
Your're arguing with other WRX owners like myself, so STI fanboy doesn't even come into it. This is purely about your unsupported factless idiot opinions we are talking about here now.
Your comments above show clearly that you have never seriously drag raced a car.
Your're arguing with other WRX owners like myself, so STI fanboy doesn't even come into it. This is purely about your unsupported factless idiot opinions we are talking about here now.
Your comments above show clearly that you have never seriously drag raced a car.
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I'm clearly loosing a battle against STI fanboys and the arbitrarily way they see things but I'm talking about the sum of all parts, my main point is the STI has an heavier clutch/box oil pump assembly and they are two main culprits of tranny losses. A 300lbft 4x4 Impreza should have no issues with a good 0-60 foot in decent drag day conditions so you can afford to run slightly cheaper and or slightly over-inflated tyres.
Is it just me
Is it just me
Thing is you're not talking about the sum of all parts, every time this debate comes up you rattle on and on about the STi transmission as if the WRX is far more efficient. The reality is we're talking probably a 2-3% difference at most.
As for the logic on tyres, that's so wrong I can't even bring myself to debate it further. Although if you want an example, look at what people say about the GT86 and it's cheap low rolling resistance tyres...