I think it was you, a big UKIP fanboy that said we should deport Muslims, although you did fail to mention which ones, and where to, in your poisonous little rant earlier!

As for far right groups, go on social media and take look!

Groups like Britain First and EDL are in their absolute element right now.

 

I think we can all agree it is a total cluster Fvck what ever which way you look at it

The UK/US policy on the whole of the Middle East has been flawed for decades

I was listening to a program on radio 4 the other day, on the Iraq aftermath

And a U.S. General (I think) said on of the big problems was that they (we) had so few US national Arab speakers - about 20 in the whole shebang

So always had to rely on non American Arab translators to handle ALL the tricky delicate negotiations throughout the post war period - no wonder the U.S. Had no clue

Fantasy land when you think about it

It made me think of a comment a UK diplomat made in another program, along the lines of the Foreign Office running down the "Arab desk" over the last 30 odd years - losing all the skills (language / culture) etc that it had acquired of half a century

So really our whole Foriegn policy was blind - simply driven by a slavish support for Saudi arabia (oil and arms sales) and Isreal - for simple big boy geopolitical reasons

 

I love scoobynet.

Brings out all the brilliant nonsense

How people can kill like this,whatever reasons,they are not good reasons.

 

Apologies.Everyone is very passionate at yet another awful time.

I despair at humans sometime

 

We've never been consistent in our approach to that part of the world. Even now after all that's happened, we struggle to do the right things for the right reasons.
I still can't get over the flag a half mast on the palace of Westminster when the Saudi King died - I found that an afront to the values of this country.

 

Not sure what the demographic is now but at one point something like 80% of American congress was Jewish and given their apparent un-dying support for Israel it's no real surprise that American foreign policy has effectively put us all in this situation.

 

yes, it is the instability that's feeds these sorts of conflicts - instability driven by poverty. powerlessness etc etc

ISIS feeds on this - "religion" is just a proxy really

apparently what exacerbated the whole instability of Syria was successive crop failures, which drove people into the cities

Unlike California Syria did not have the infrastructure or money to ameliorate the affects of the drought that swept through the region in the years prior to the conflict

and anyone who has studied revolutionary history knows this is often an important catalyst (the migration of rural into the cities) in promoting instability and unrest

 

oh and meant to say - good post

 

I'm not sure this is entirely the case. Yes, Islamic State have looked to capitalise on the instability and the power vacuum, but I think and feel that they're absolutely motivated by their god and prophet. It's dangerous to let fundamental Islam off the hook; to do this is to miss the root cause of the problem.

 

yes, I can see why you think this JT and I know we have been through it on previous threads

I respect your view

the last think I want to do is let anyone off the hook for this barbarism

 

Love Muslims, distrust Islam.

 

What do you propose, Ditch, that America and its allies cut Israel loose?

 

Don't think that's really an option considering the Jewish influence in America, just one name springs to mind Goldman Sachs, big powerful company and I'm sure there are many others with less obviously jewish names, our own supermarket chain that many on here get their momentum fuel from Tesco which is short for Tessa Cohen, daughter of Lord Cohen, the list goes on and on all these people have influence beyond our comprehension in all of this and it runs too deep to do anything about now.

Remember what the queen said when Diana kissed concrete in Paris?

 

"Someone must have greased the brakes".

 

You have the gall to ask whether I'm for real and whether others believe the bollox they read and write and you come out with this conspiritard cr@p. You can't make it up!

 

How is it conspiritard crap, if you can't see the links between government/politicians and big business / corporations then I can only assume you have been living in a cave somewhere in outer Mongolia.

The whole system is funded by parties with "special interests" indeed they even set up groups called, strangely enough "special Interests" and pay people to lobby ministers (ie wine and dine offer "contributions" WINK WINK) and members of congress to "ask question" push bills through parliment and the senate on their behalf.

Seriously dude are you living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

I tell you why it's conspiritard, you spout cr@p alluding to how the Jews run the world based on "facts" like Tesco bollox you just typed and obviously believe to be true. Do some research, Jack Cohen had 2 daughters, neither of them called Tessa.

I don't doubt there are back room deals going on in politics and business but this doesn't mean the whole world is run to the benefit of few "powerful Jews."

Why you try and steer this thread to blaming migrants and Jews for the way the world is is beyond me. If I'm in cloud cuckoo, I dread to think what your version of reality is.

 

I'm not steering the thread anywhere pal, I'm merely saying it as I see it.

This **** storm we are in, led into via American policy via big business, oil, gas, minerals world domination call it what you will, it's all connected, all these special interest groups big business and business men with their family financial dynasty is what has put us where we are today and people in morgues ALL around the world, including Jews and migrants.

I mentioned migrants earlier because of what I believe to be a way in which some terrorists have gotten into Europe along with weapons, using the migrant crisis as a cover, as for the jews / Isrealies they have been at war with Muslims for some considerable time, they also happen to have great influence in American politics and policy, which I think is a contributory factor to the situation we now all find our selves in.

Have you not noticed how very little is reported about goings on in palestine these days or Iraq or Afganistan, some nice distraction tactics going on me thinks.

If this makes me a racist anti jew anti migrant because I'm prepared to look at the bigger picture and not be blinded by a couple of hundred of dead french people when allied forces and the powers that be have been killing muslims all around the world for some considerable time in the name of democracy then so be it.

You keep your head in the sand mate, just be careful you don't get bitten on the **** while you're at it.

Ok I got it wrong on the lord Cohen thing but you will find that Tesco IS names after Tessa Cohen who is one of that dynasty.

 

That kind of stigmatisation and those by association is partly why some are driven to extremism. There is plenty of barbarity committed by various religions; Christians across Africa against Muslims, Buddhist monks killing Muslims in Sri Lanka, Sikhs against Hindus, etc. Therefore we may as well distrust all religions based on that logic. Distrust extremism would be more accurate perhaps.

 

It's overwhelmingly Islam, Jon, and that's because of the man and the book. Have you read the Qur'an?

Love Muslims, distrust Islam.

 

You're still wrong on Tesco. If you can't find simple facts, what else do you think you "know" is wrong, you need to check your sources. I appreciate your concern with head in the sand, however, you seem to be in a worse situation since you think your head is "above" the sand but fail to realise you're no better off when the rest of your body is buried in the sand!

Look, these extremists don't attack just because of America's foreign policy, they attack for whatever they see as an affront to their beliefs and religion. For example, the Charlie Hebdo attack was not against America's policy or secret deals by Jews. They also attack other Muslims who don't follow their interpretation of Islam. Like you said, crazy people do crazy things.

 

Love *****, distrust Nazism. Oh wait, that's bollox isnt it....

 

Over 400000 now


https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/107516


I found another petition from several months ago with over 400000 signatures wanting to open the borders and take more refugees, I wonder if they still think that's a good idea?

 

Tesco was founded in 1912 by Jack Cohen as a group of market stalls. The Tesco name first appeared in 1924, after Cohen purchased a shipment of tea from T. E. Stockwell and combined those initials with the first two letters of his surname,

 

Of course they do, thats the problem!

 

Yes, it is. Read Raf's comments a couple of pages back, the guy doesn't even know his own book. I'm not prepared to demonise him or a group of people who are, in the main, ignorant of their own socio-religious inheritance. They've been duped and so I'll love them and hope that they reciprocate, but I'll distrust an idea like Islam that seems to breed violence and poverty and intolerance and I'll distrust it even more having read the text and studied its founder. I consider Muslims to be my neighbour and my Man and my Book commands me to love them. That is what I shall do.

 

Ahh right, so he's been duped but you haven't. Oooooo Kkkkkkk.....

Unfortunately these primitive beliefs are part of this problem, but adding in yours isn't moving us forward. Until both of you wake up from your DELUSION, we aint gonna make real progress. If he is such a good egg, why doesn't he renounce Islam? Oh wait he agrees with being part of it, AND ALL IT STANDS FOR. Yes his social group/family might revolve around it, but again, if its rotten, denounce it and leave

 

I used to think and feel like you, but I realised that actually all that hate does is push Muslims away. They may well be more inclined to retreat in to the fundamentals of their belief system and worse, become radicalised by the type of bearded men that prey on the disenfranchised, the bullied and the hated. As somebody once said to me, you're part of the problem. Learn to love, Warren.

 

Oh dont get me wrong I have read and read some translations of the Quran. Had parts of it translated to me to help me understand also which is why I stand by my belief thats it is a religion of peace TO ME. Not in a position to pull quotes out of context and give explanations other than using google which wouldnt be right

However this thread is about the Paris attacks and not Islam.

A quote from another forum pretty much sums it up for me...
"Whilst all these people are blaming religion, I just want to remind you ISIS have killed over 100,000 MUSLIMS in the last couple of years. Think of that figure for a second whilst you think of what happened in Paris. They do not care about what you think or say, they are out there to create this hatred and split and they are doing a damn good job of it. We give these guys SO much air time and we constantly bang on about them and how we should all be scared of them and that they are going to kill us all. As a Muslim I should be more afraid than most, as if ISIS won't kill me it will be someone in the security forces who thinks I am one of them but am I scared? Not the slightest, I don't have time for that."

Cheers All and peace out!

 

You sure you've not been radicalised yourself?