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Old Jul 26, 2015 | 03:54 PM
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Hope Cav doesn't over do it in wet this afternoon and come off worse again ..

No lead outs left , which seems to be an advantage to him !

Just follow the one with the upside down smile....


I still think all the sprints would have gone to Kittel if he was racing

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Old Jul 26, 2015 | 03:57 PM
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Great tour after all

Would have been Quintanas if he'd survived in the winds up north



Well done Froome , and all the team !
Swings and roundabouts, Froome has greater power, beneficial on the flats. Quintana super lightweight, much easy to climb. The race would of taken on a different strategy if Quintana had the lead, Movistar would have to work to protect Quintana
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Old Jul 26, 2015 | 07:15 PM
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Official now; NOW BRITAIN, TIME TO PRAISE OUR SPORTS PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY WIN STUFF!
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Old Jul 26, 2015 | 07:20 PM
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Indeed yes
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Old Jul 26, 2015 | 07:23 PM
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Im not a Sky fan as its a breading ground for choppers riding around in full kit, but well done to them & Froome for winning and putting up with all the abuse & sh*t from fans & media.
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Old Jul 27, 2015 | 11:31 AM
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Im not a Sky fan as its a breading ground for choppers riding around in full kit, but well done to them & Froome for winning and putting up with all the abuse & sh*t from fans & media.
I'm sure Russians cycle around in Katusha kit, Spaniards Moviestar and French AG2R or Bretagne - Séché, if they're parochial
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Old Jul 27, 2015 | 11:50 AM
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Yes, but is he taking drugs?
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Hooray to Chris!!!
Yes, but is he taking drugs?
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Old Jul 27, 2015 | 12:50 PM
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Yes, but is he taking drugs?
According to doping control during the tour, no.
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Old Jul 27, 2015 | 01:10 PM
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Ignoring all the gossip and the fact that he hasn't failed a test suggests not.


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Old Jul 27, 2015 | 01:25 PM
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Ignoring all the gossip and the fact that he hasn't failed a test suggests not.
Playing Devil's advocate, how many times during and after his career did Armstrong blurt the infamous "I'm the most tested athlete in history" into waiting press microphones?

Even so, you can undertand a certain amount of scepticism, given the sport's history.
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Old Jul 27, 2015 | 01:38 PM
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The journolist that outed Armstrong has come out in defence of Froome/Sky, so either they are clean or they are better liars. I'd like to think he's clean though just because it makes him a more awesome athlete.
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Playing Devil's advocate, how many times during and after his career did Armstrong blurt the infamous "I'm the most tested athlete in history" into waiting press microphones?

Even so, you can undertand a certain amount of scepticism, given the sport's history.
Have a read of David Walsh's book - Seven Deadly Sins: My Pursuit of Lance Armstrong and you'll see that Armstrong did test positive but it was 'covered up' by the UCI (Verbruggen and McQuaid).

With the introduction of the cyclists Biological Passport, it makes the EPO micro dosing which Armstrong et al undertook almost impossible.

As has been said above already, cyclists in the peleton (Chavanel, Rodriguez and Basso) are on record as saying they think SKY are clean, plus Walsh spent time with SKY during the TDF and has also come out and said he believes they're a clean team.

But until we have 10 years of clean racing, the winner will always be burdened with the doping issues of the past.

Oh and why does nobody question Quintana's performance during the Tour? After all, he only finished 72 seconds behind Froome after nearly 3500km of riding?
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Old Jul 27, 2015 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by markjmd
Playing Devil's advocate, how many times during and after his career did Armstrong blurt the infamous "I'm the most tested athlete in history" into waiting press microphones?

Even so, you can undertand a certain amount of scepticism, given the sport's history.
Exactly.
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Old Jul 27, 2015 | 05:29 PM
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I wonder in light of the punching and spitting allegations if the French authorities might consider in the future limiting the access spectators have to the riders? That final climb up Alpe D'Huez was scary, with many spectators behaving in an extremely stupid and dangerous way. Any one of them could have pulled or knocked Froome off his bike, deliberately or otherwise. What would have happened if he had been held back in any way? Would the result stand?
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I drove DOWN those hairpins in ice in a Saxo VTR - even that was bloody hard work!
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Originally Posted by Paben
I wonder in light of the punching and spitting allegations if the French authorities might consider in the future limiting the access spectators have to the riders? That final climb up Alpe D'Huez was scary, with many spectators behaving in an extremely stupid and dangerous way. Any one of them could have pulled or knocked Froome off his bike, deliberately or otherwise. What would have happened if he had been held back in any way? Would the result stand?
Always wonder what would happen in these circumstances, as commentated these athletes perform in an open air corridor where any Nutter out there could do as they wish .

jalabert should be ashamed
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Old Jul 27, 2015 | 07:14 PM
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Always wonder what would happen in these circumstances, as commentated these athletes perform in an open air corridor where any Nutter out there could do as they wish .

jalabert should be ashamed
This happened to Eddy Merckx in 1975 got punched in the kidneys and fell off and cracked his cheek bone and had to retire.
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Old Jul 27, 2015 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
I drove DOWN those hairpins in ice in a Saxo VTR - even that was bloody hard work!
I've been up them on an old 80s spec steel-framed MTB. I was quite impressed with myself that I managed to complete the climb in only double the time of the top pros
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Old Jul 27, 2015 | 11:47 PM
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Old Jul 28, 2015 | 01:55 AM
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That was a slightly bizzare moment!

Chris boardman gave a statesmen like performance in diverting his eyes , somewhere, anywhere
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Old Jul 28, 2015 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
Always wonder what would happen in these circumstances, as commentated these athletes perform in an open air corridor where any Nutter out there could do as they wish .

jalabert should be ashamed
Provided he isn't forced to retire, I would expect the peloton to wait for him, as I don't think anyone would consider such a victory honourable. Seem to remember Wiggins did something similar when one of his rivals suffered a puncture when someone through pins on the ground in one of the stages. Rather than shoot off, the peloton slowed down.

If he IS forced to retire, my guess is as good as yours but I'd imagine the teams would pull out over rider safety fears, and they'd have to re-run it, or abandon it.

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Old Jul 28, 2015 | 11:19 AM
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I didn't realise about eddy merckx , ill have to read up
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Old Jul 28, 2015 | 12:57 PM
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At least cycling is cleaning its act up, did anyone see the Panorama programme other year regarding football. Clubs claiming players were out injured for 4 month when in fact they had tested positive.
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Because he's not English! Froome had one very strong day, which essentially won him the race, and is subsequently the subject of global media criticism and cowardly, disgusting acts by scumbags on the side of the roads. Quintana had two very good days towards the end of the race, but nobody accuses him of doping. Both Contador and Valverde have previously received bans regarding doping, but nobody throws urine or spits at them as they climb. Nibali clearly saw Froome had a mechanical problem and then instantly attacked him, but there isn't international uproar over his poor sportsmanship.

Yet again, it seems most of the world hates the English. Jalabert, along with all of France, is probably particularly bitter because he never won the Tour and the French have been perennial underachievers in cycling for decades. There hasn't been a French Tour winner since Bernard Hinault in the 80s.

As a separate point, did anybody else think it was a little ironic and distasteful that David Millar was part of ITV4's commentary panel, being asked questions about doping allegations made towards Froome?
I think Millar talking about doping is anything but ironic. Unlike countless ex riders (Jalabert being one) he's admitted to doping, apologised and has since worked with WADA and the UCI to help put new measures/tests/education in place.

And of course, when he was clean, he went on to win stages at the Tour, Giro and Vuelta. As an aside, his book 'Riding through the dark' is an excellent read.
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At least cycling is cleaning its act up, did anyone see the Panorama programme other year regarding football. Clubs claiming players were out injured for 4 month when in fact they had tested positive.
And lets not raise the issues of doping amongst Tennis players.....
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too be fair to Millar, earlier in the week when accusations of Froome doping first came up, he did mention his own doping ban..
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It may be for the next few years that the only way to win the Tour and avoid accusations will be to win from behind as Quintana so nearly did. The worst thing to do will be to make a large and unexpected gain early in the Tour - then the leader will get the Froome treatment for the remainder of the race. New tactics required from Team Sky!
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Originally Posted by Paben
It may be for the next few years that the only way to win the Tour and avoid accusations will be to win from behind as Quintana so nearly did. The worst thing to do will be to make a large and unexpected gain early in the Tour - then the leader will get the Froome treatment for the remainder of the race. New tactics required from Team Sky!
That's easy to say, but different tactics suit different types of riders very differently. Froome is more of a time-trialist/all-rounder in the mould of Anquetil or LeMond than a pure out and out climber like Contador or Quintana, so planning a long stage race around a strategy of waiting until the last week in the mountains before making his big move(s) would more than likely turn out to be disastrous. You have to play to your strengths, which is exactly what Froome (and ultimately also Quintana) did.
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