Stop giving your life to Jesus!
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But Christians kill many people, abuse kids, brain wash others into giving money to the cause (US evangelists), accuse people of doing wrong when they haven't (not believing in their same God), consider women to be inferior and so on.
If they were all paragons of goodness, you'd have a point but they aren't.
The most amazing people I can think of aren't religious at all.
If they were all paragons of goodness, you'd have a point but they aren't.
The most amazing people I can think of aren't religious at all.
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if you read the thread from the beginning we have discussed all this
Ultimately where I come from, and I am sure this won’t be a surprised to JT to hear it
is that I view JT's views in the same way I view ISIS/Taliban etc (and any Religious Fundamentalist)
Remember we are not talking about Cultural Christians - or people who man the church tea stall at the village fate
but people such as JT who have rigid fundamental “non negotiable” views
Logically I have no choice - they both believe in the sovereignty of a supernatural non-existent being, that they believe has sovereignty over everyone and everything on the planet – and that single fact drives everything else
it is medieval in outlook - which explains the medieval levels of barbarism ISIS go to to protect their God
he actually has no answers to the problems faced by humanity – poverty disease, inequality and war, his only answer is “a new Jerusalem” whatever that is (I am sure ISIS have a similar philosophical construct – logically they have to, because like JT they offer no answers on worldly problems exept God
but listen I called JT out on this even before he converted, over 5 years ago it was obvious - and he has actually confirmed that he was a militant fundamental atheist now he is a militant fundamental religious person
the key here being “militant fundamentalist”
I said he was a “different side of the same coin” – I was right then – and still am
Ultimately where I come from, and I am sure this won’t be a surprised to JT to hear it
is that I view JT's views in the same way I view ISIS/Taliban etc (and any Religious Fundamentalist)
Remember we are not talking about Cultural Christians - or people who man the church tea stall at the village fate
but people such as JT who have rigid fundamental “non negotiable” views
Logically I have no choice - they both believe in the sovereignty of a supernatural non-existent being, that they believe has sovereignty over everyone and everything on the planet – and that single fact drives everything else
it is medieval in outlook - which explains the medieval levels of barbarism ISIS go to to protect their God
he actually has no answers to the problems faced by humanity – poverty disease, inequality and war, his only answer is “a new Jerusalem” whatever that is (I am sure ISIS have a similar philosophical construct – logically they have to, because like JT they offer no answers on worldly problems exept God
but listen I called JT out on this even before he converted, over 5 years ago it was obvious - and he has actually confirmed that he was a militant fundamental atheist now he is a militant fundamental religious person
the key here being “militant fundamentalist”
I said he was a “different side of the same coin” – I was right then – and still am
Anyway, and I don't want to get too sidetracked with this, would you expect similar behaviours and output from a Buddhist fundamentalist and an Islamic fundamentalist?
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I suspect that the reason that, on refection, he mollified his views on religious buildings / artefacts was it seemed quite close to the Justification the Taliban give for blowing up the Buddha's in Afghanistan
or ISIS destroying anything that does not correspond to their interpretation of the sovereign word of God
or ISIS destroying anything that does not correspond to their interpretation of the sovereign word of God
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I suspect that the reason that, on refection, he mollified his views on religious buildings / artefacts was it seemed quite close to the Justification the Taliban give for blowing up the Buddha's in Afghanistan
or ISIS destroying anything that does not correspond to their interpretation of the sovereign word of God
or ISIS destroying anything that does not correspond to their interpretation of the sovereign word of God
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you and Islamic fundamentalist essentially believe that
is that what Buddhist fundamentalist believe?
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So you are of the opinion that Mohammad and Jesus taught their followers to behave in the same way? Binary, please.
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but in any case I would counter that you all exept the single authorative word of God
that's the issue, sure there are different interpretations, and Dingdongler highlighted that the "my gods/interpretation is the best" fallacy some 10 odd pages ago
so we are going round in circles
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where you get just one go at it
as a pointed out, again 10 odd pages ago "in before the lock"
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Should I start comparing you with history's fundamental anti-thesists? No, of course not, now kindly extend me the same courtesy.
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I am against any form of fundamentalism - that should be pretty obvious from my forum responses
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You (almost) have to have respect for ISIS as they stick to it, whereas Christians treat the bible like a smörgåsbord, taking the best bits, or the bits that fit modern, western views.
You don't see a lot of Levticius being practised now, for example
It's not as if the NT refutes it.
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I would say at the most basic level, yes. Follow me or you're screwed. Some passages of the Quran are more overtly violent than the NT, but look (not too far) under the covers and you'll find similar.
You (almost) have to have respect for ISIS as they stick to it, whereas Christians treat the bible like a smörgåsbord, taking the best bits, or the bits that fit modern, western views.
You don't see a lot of Levticius being practised now, for example
It's not as if the NT refutes it.
You (almost) have to have respect for ISIS as they stick to it, whereas Christians treat the bible like a smörgåsbord, taking the best bits, or the bits that fit modern, western views.
You don't see a lot of Levticius being practised now, for example
It's not as if the NT refutes it.
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I am fundamentally opposed to the belief in the supernatural, and I place theism in that "philosophical bucket"
lol, although I have a sneaking respect of the Jedi (a recognised religion in the US) concept of the "force" that rune through and "binds" the universe
maybe also described as "mother nature"
lol, although I have a sneaking respect of the Jedi (a recognised religion in the US) concept of the "force" that rune through and "binds" the universe
maybe also described as "mother nature"
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I am fundamentally opposed to the belief in the supernatural, and I place theism in that "philosophical bucket"
lol, although I have a sneaking respect of the Jedi (a recognised religion in the US) concept of the "force" that rune through and "binds" the universe
maybe also described as "mother nature"
lol, although I have a sneaking respect of the Jedi (a recognised religion in the US) concept of the "force" that rune through and "binds" the universe
maybe also described as "mother nature"
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that's the crux of it
I am not suggesting JT respects the actual acts - but the philosophical/ religious motives behind them
but we can clear it up if he says he does not respect them for following "the word of God"
we do need to take into account the *dingdongler paradox" though
it cant be adjusted to mean "oh only their God, following the word on my god is TOTALLY different "
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