Originally Posted by Matteeboy

But Christians kill many people, abuse kids, brain wash others into giving money to the cause (US evangelists), accuse people of doing wrong when they haven't (not believing in their same God), consider women to be inferior and so on.

If they were all paragons of goodness, you'd have a point but they aren't.

The most amazing people I can think of aren't religious at all.

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2

if you read the thread from the beginning we have discussed all this

Ultimately where I come from, and I am sure this won’t be a surprised to JT to hear it

is that I view JT's views in the same way I view ISIS/Taliban etc (and any Religious Fundamentalist)

Remember we are not talking about Cultural Christians - or people who man the church tea stall at the village fate

but people such as JT who have rigid fundamental “non negotiable” views

Logically I have no choice - they both believe in the sovereignty of a supernatural non-existent being, that they believe has sovereignty over everyone and everything on the planet – and that single fact drives everything else

it is medieval in outlook - which explains the medieval levels of barbarism ISIS go to to protect their God

he actually has no answers to the problems faced by humanity – poverty disease, inequality and war, his only answer is “a new Jerusalem” whatever that is (I am sure ISIS have a similar philosophical construct – logically they have to, because like JT they offer no answers on worldly problems exept God

but listen I called JT out on this even before he converted, over 5 years ago it was obvious - and he has actually confirmed that he was a militant fundamental atheist now he is a militant fundamental religious person

the key here being “militant fundamentalist”

I said he was a “different side of the same coin” – I was right then – and still am

Originally Posted by JTaylor

come the end of days.

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2

I suspect that the reason that, on refection, he mollified his views on religious buildings / artefacts was it seemed quite close to the Justification the Taliban give for blowing up the Buddha's in Afghanistan

or ISIS destroying anything that does not correspond to their interpretation of the sovereign word of God

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2

talk to us about "the end of days"

what's the crack - as the Oirish would say

educate

and as has been said try in you won words (as well as a link)

Originally Posted by JTaylor

Education is the key.

Anyway, and I don't want to get too sidetracked with this, would you expect similar behaviours and output from a Buddhist fundamentalist and an Islamic fundamentalist?

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2

well, yes if they both believe in an acceptance of a single source of authority/justice and sovereignty on pain of living in an eternal hell - removed from god

you and Islamic fundamentalist essentially believe that

is that what Buddhist fundamentalist believe?

Originally Posted by JTaylor

You're wrong. Now answer the question, please, as I have done yours.

Originally Posted by JTaylor

Buddhists believe in perpetual reincarnation until Nirvana is achieved, so at least one gets another crack at it.

So you are of the opinion that Mohammad and Jesus taught their followers to behave in the same way? Binary, please.

Originally Posted by JTaylor

Buddhists believe in perpetual reincarnation until Nirvana is achieved, so at least one gets another crack at it.

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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2

sure your original argument against these ostentatious building etc was "false idolatry"

if you strip it back to basics - what was the justification given by the Taliban for blowing up the Buddha's?

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2

so actually 100% totally different from fundamentalist Islam/Christianity

where you get just one go at it

as a pointed out, again 10 odd pages ago "in before the lock"

Originally Posted by JTaylor

Exodus 20:4

Should I start comparing you with history's fundamental anti-thesists? No, of course not, now kindly extend me the same courtesy.

Originally Posted by JTaylor

No, it depends on the metric. Do you believe in re-incarnation?

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2

well it would be a bit pointless tbh honest

I am against any form of fundamentalism - that should be pretty obvious from my forum responses

Originally Posted by JTaylor

Exodus 20:4

Originally Posted by JTaylor

Buddhists believe in perpetual reincarnation until Nirvana is achieved, so at least one gets another crack at it.

So you are of the opinion that Mohammad and Jesus taught their followers to behave in the same way? Binary, please.

Originally Posted by dpb

I can't imagine devoting myself to one book , no matter how good it is

Originally Posted by JTaylor

So you're not a fundamental anti-theist, then? Binary, please.

Originally Posted by Geezer

You (almost) have to have respect for ISIS as they stick to it,

Originally Posted by Geezer

I would say at the most basic level, yes. Follow me or you're screwed. Some passages of the Quran are more overtly violent than the NT, but look (not too far) under the covers and you'll find similar.

You (almost) have to have respect for ISIS as they stick to it, whereas Christians treat the bible like a smörgåsbord, taking the best bits, or the bits that fit modern, western views.

You don't see a lot of Levticius being practised now, for example

It's not as if the NT refutes it.

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2

no,

but sure if you want to categorise me as one because I don't believe in a supernatural being

that is your prerogative

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2

if you look at JT's responses to the (recent post conversion) Muslim threads - you see that "respect" articulated

Originally Posted by markjmd

Question for JT. I've always read your comments about IS to be neutral observations on their consistency with Islamic texts and/or doctrine, rather than expressions of respect as such. Have I understood you correctly?

Originally Posted by JTaylor

So you're not fundamentally opposed to theism?

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2

I am fundamentally opposed to the belief in the supernatural, and I place theism in that "philosophical bucket"

lol, although I have a sneaking respect of the Jedi (a recognised religion in the US) concept of the "force" that rune through and "binds" the universe

maybe also described as "mother nature"

Originally Posted by markjmd

Question for JT. I've always read your comments about IS to be neutral observations on their consistency with Islamic texts and/or doctrine, rather than expressions of respect as such. Have I understood you correctly?