Originally Posted by neil-h

Debatable, Christ/the bible encourages Christians to spread the word of God. How and the extent to which this is done is a matter of interpretation, the Crusades were supposedly in the aid of 'spreading gods word'.

Originally Posted by JTaylor

It's not debatable, in fact what I stated is irrefutable. The Crusaders were not imitating Christ! Give me an example of a New Testament mandate for violence, please.

Originally Posted by Matteeboy

Religion is f***ing insane.
End of.

Originally Posted by RobJenks

This letter was posted in the Daily Express-I puts Cameron's "Islam is a peaceful religion into perspective"



All the ''Liberals'' out there pressing for more Muslim migrants to be allowed in the UK & Europe should read this, hopefully it will sink in that Islam & western democracy are incompatible
The Left Just Can't seem to Pin Point The Problem:
The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims

The Tunis Museum attackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims
Think of it:
Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confucians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM
**********SO THIS LEADS TO *****************
They're not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan
****** So, where are they happy? **********
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France

They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves, THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will get hammered

Originally Posted by Ooperbum

Religious people are fukced in head. Muslims are even more fukced in the head. I'd destroy all mosques in the UK and deport all the filthy cun*s to an deserted island and drop an nuke on the retards!

Originally Posted by zip106

Sunstroke?

Originally Posted by RS_Matt

He's just a minority, not all whites are like that. Many other whites condemn his actions.

Originally Posted by neil-h

Of course it's debatable, it's a matter of interpretation. I don't have sufficient knowledge of the texts in question to quote chapter and verse but I'd stand by the statement that the notion of 'spreading the word' can easily be twisted to include violence. The same way that not all Muslims adhere to your interpretation of the Quran and its encouragement of violence towards none believers.

Originally Posted by Matteeboy

Religion is f***ing insane.
End of.

Originally Posted by f1_fan

As I said in your '****' thread your brain is in your ****!

Originally Posted by JTaylor

Let me just clarify here: you're saying that you do not have 'sufficient knowledge' of scripture to be able to quote it, yet you assert, unequivocally, that said scripture is debatable. This doesn't appear cogent, Neil. Perhaps you can put me right.

Originally Posted by neil-h

It's perfectly reasonable to have an understanding of the overall subject/s raised in a text without being able to quote specifics. I'd bet most Christians have a reasonable grasp of the salient points of the bible but very few can directly quote other than the most frequently used verses from memory.

Originally Posted by Matteeboy

You'd be better off debating the fine details of that life of a fairy compared to a gnome.

Originally Posted by Paben

Perhaps like all good Christians we should simply turn the other cheek in response to violence (in other words do absolutely nothing) and just wait for IS to cast themselves at our feet, sobbing in shame at their poor behaviour. Then we forgive them their trespasses and we all go back to being friends again. That's what the bible recommends anyway and there are many examples of this method working well in conflict. I'm unable to find any at the moment unfortunately, even on Google, just examples of the cheek turners coming to a sticky end. But I'm sure they are there if you look hard enough.

Originally Posted by JTaylor

Gandhi, Martin Luther King and in, the second half of his life, Nelson Mandela all achieved spectacular results employing the philosophy of passive resistance.

Originally Posted by kevo10

All Muslims cant be tarred with the same brush though.I remember the way the Irish were treated back in the days of the troubles there . Not a nice world we live in at the moment , but i fear it may get worse before anything sorts it

Originally Posted by Paben

You know well that they were not combating deadly violence so are poor examples. How would you propose resisting IS passively? Ask them nicely to pack it in? Where on earth would we have been in the two World Wars (and any number of others) with that attitude? Overrun is where we would have been; subjugated, perhaps enslaved. I don't much like the Christian technique for conflict resolution, it always seems to end in tears for the Christians.

Originally Posted by JTaylor

Google?

Originally Posted by neil-h

Is a wonderful resource if you A) no what you're looking for and B) can discern what is and isn't complete rubbish. There's a lot of complete rubbish on the net, especially where religion is concerned and I have no particular vested interest in the topic. So I won't be sifting through it in the pursuit of proving a point unless if feel someone is being particularly unfair/wrong.

Originally Posted by neil-h

Is a wonderful resource if you A) no what you're looking for and B) can discern what is and isn't complete rubbish. There's a lot of complete rubbish on the net, especially where religion is concerned and I have no particular vested interest in the topic. So I won't be sifting through it in the pursuit of proving a point unless if feel someone is being particularly unfair/wrong.

Originally Posted by JTaylor

We did this before. Post 67 onward.

https://www.scoobynet.com/1019239-sh...ighters-3.html

Originally Posted by Paben

We did indeed, and yet the same old arguements are being trotted out in defense of the indefensible. Whatever Jesus or Muhammad may have intended, they got it hopelessly wrong. The world would be a much safer place if they had kept their philosophies to themselves, and action and reaction would take its natural course.

So again, how would you propose dealing with IS passively?