Your another one that needs to read Winnie Lynch's speech on slavery, it's basically where our modern society comes from.

Here you go.

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publ..._a_Slave.shtml

 

Ok. I'll say it again. My rent, council tax and CSA payments would immediately be taken car of if I went on the dole. That would be £300 per week. I'd then get JSA as well as any family tax credits on top.
You're getting into the realms of £20,000 a year.
I barely read the papers and don't obsess over news channels, so this isn't something I've read, it's a fact.
The main problem isn't the media, it's how lazy we've become as a nation, and I include myself in that. We shouldn't accept such a high standard of living for those who cannot be bothered to work and contribute. We should protest and demand that parties wanting our vote will be harder on those who can work but don't.

 

And to add that when I split up with my ex several months later I received a letter saying I owed £2k in overpaid child tax credits. The dates of the payments (made directly into her bank account) were after I moved out. I was hounded for weeks over it until I sent in council tax receipts that proved I wasn't there at the time.

The money was never paid back and the ex never even was questioned over it.

 

You don't get it, lazy or not lazy, it's irrelevant, I work, luckily always have and I'm lazy, more so when I get home!
How much benefits a person or family are on is irrelevant, weather you are on basic jsa therefor struggling to live or if you are in 2 council houses converted to one big property and on 50k per annum on benefit. It's all the same............you are seen to be the scrapings of society because everyone is tarnished with the same waste of space no hope brush as that's what's portrayed through the media the papers.
Again,there are a minority who don't deserve help and do take the pi55 but the majority do want to find non-existent jobs, do need genuine help.
We are the lucky ones and I'm thankful of the paths that have opened for me.
I earn a modest living only but a living netherless.

 

To answer the question of the topic.
Life on the dole,a good way to live?
Short answer no, but for some there is no choice.

 

How many people do you think that are on the dole have sky sports?

 

where did this speech come from - some historians believe it to be a hoax

 

i can believe some of it for sure

but the langauge and construction seems to be of this age

 

I couldn't comment as I don't even have sky sports.
To hazard a guess? I would say a very small minority!
Many many people on benefits do struggle even for the basics, especially single parents with children. Let me think food, heating or sky sports? Lol
How does sky sports even come in to it?

 

There too busy filling there scoobs up to watch sky sports .....

 

Ok so mathematically how do they struggle. I'm not denying it but basing it on facts. Housing benefits, JSA, child tax credits and CSA payments should amount to a fair bit. I'd wager it's actually only those single parents who choose to work who then find it a financial struggle.
Only those with high rate mortgages will struggle, but is that not them part of the maintenance money paid from an ex husband etc etc.

 

I don't know it's origins or if it was a hoax, but then again the powers that be or those using the method wouldn't really want to say it was the truth now would they.

That aside it struck a chord with me when I were a young lad looking for answers as to why things were the way they are. Being half Jamaican on my fathers side Iv'e spent a lot of time over there and grew up in the Jamaican community in the UK, I can most definitely confirm that this attitude is embedded in the "Caribbean" mentality, hence the ringing true.

To be fair you don't need to be a rocket or social scientist to work out that this is pretty much where we are today and have been for some considerable time, so it's origins are un-important.

I don't really require written proof because human nature and the nature of said people would be to suppress as much as possible anyway, along with time elapsed I think it would be very difficult to prove one way or the other, in fact one could equally ask where's the proof from those doing the dis-crediting.

As an interesting side note, at the time, I was told that he was a good friend of George Washington, although I have no proof of this.

As I said before on another thread, in my mind they freed the Black slaves and pretty much enslaved the rest of the world (they being the few at the very top) also if you think about it the slave masters / plantation owners of olds descendants along with those that benefited through trade all those years ago will be part of the ruling elite today, obviously somewhat diluted but it's not a huge step requiring large amounts of brain power to work out that those with money at that time would have diversified into oil, mining etc to the present day.

I'm sure if I could be arsed to go back through past history of some of the worlds richest people and multi nationals there would be links back to slavery via shipping, cotton mills, sugar, tea, spices, minerals etc, which then leads us to the oil situation.

In my mind nothing much has changed since the days of the knights Templar "Christians" against Muslims apart from the "Holy Grail" is now OIL

 

Interestingly I read an article on some research the other day that suggested, by and large the wealthy of the 1800, have remained wealthy (obviously wealth and power go hand in hand)

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ocial-mobility

And the BBC are running a series of program's called "Planet Oil" - that address all those issues, especially how the UK was one of the first countries to recognise the importance of the Middle East (Iraq / Iran) in respect to oil - and deliberately interfered in the affairs of these countries

So in a way I agree that the text can be seen as important simply as a polemic - whether a hoax or not

But I just need to understand the provenance of things I read - either book or online

So I always look for this, before I start reading - most people come at things with an agenda, to adequately understand any text and put it in context, to me, you need to have a grasp of that agenda

 

Only 3minutes long and definitely worth a watch

 

loads of em. what else do they watch on their 50" 3D TV's?

for 8 years I worked as a sparky doing 'decent homes' upgrades to council houses around Sheffield. every other house has a 50" TV and sky sports, xbox in every room.

I was laid off for a while and signed on. I got JSA, my mortgage paid, child tax credit, council tax paid, etc.

I counted everything up and I was only £50 a week worse off not working, FFS I'm a sparky on a reasonable wage. If I was on NMW I would be better of on the dole

now, if you had a choice
A - £450 a week getting up when you want and doing what you want every day OR
B - £500 a week getting up early, working hard and getting home late

 

As proven in this thread numerous times......people are so easily manipulated.
Dole equals 50" plasma screens, xbox ones, full sky packages, range rovers parked on the drives.
I'm sorry but you are way way off the mark.
This is poverty, top video in the link. 2mins long.
http://www.itv.com/thismorning/hot-t...in-update-emma

 

So pretty much exactly as I said, it doesn't take a huge amount of brain power to work out that it's the descendants of those from a few hundred years ago still in control.

Stipete.

Just as I said the vast majority of people on the planet are in fact slaves and basically brainwashed into believing they're free, the reality being the complete opposite, only thing that has changed is the types of punishment used for those that step out of line, the whipping and "Lynching" is now based on money and "perceived" freedom.

Don't go to work and your on the street, but only if you have worked then they'll try and force you back into work, if you've never worked then they'll let you breed in the hope that your children either de-stabelise society by turning to crime, so bolstering their need for stricter controls which in turn increase their hold on the rest of us or become fresh fodder for the machine, there is a lot more to it that centres around greater taxation to "provide" for those "less fortunate" but ultimately it's about skimming that little bit extra for themselves by any means possible, as a percentage will always filter through to those at the top in a multitude of ways that most can't even begin to comprehend.

You only have to look at what the Pound is Actually worth to the man that earns it in real terms after it's been taxed from every possible angle imaginable and a few more if you "break the rules" (see the level of fines and enforcers/ overseers )

Again it's the reason I posted about the Winnie or Willie Lynch speech, I saw that maybe 30yrs ago, it was given to me via a good friends sister who was one of if not the first black woman to qualify as a Barrister, (she was from a council estate too) you should see the book she wrote about the history of religion etc, It would blow your tin hat off, I'm not sure if it was ever published, but it was a revelation to my young enquiring mind and this was all pre-internet.

And don't get me started on the Police or the Army or as I refer to them "Enablers" poor mis-guided souls, the cream of the brainwashed amongst us with members of the "Elite Ruling Class" at the head of there organisations protecting the interests of the few by controlling the many with the threat of violence or chains and bars.

Nothing has changed, it's just been "Refined" and done in a slightly more "Civilised" manner but the end result is the same, They get richer, we get poorer whilst fighting amongst ourselves for scraps.

 

She's obviously got the essentials though as in TV and phone. Wonder if they are 50" plasma and an iphone

 

I was commenting on the post above .. I'm not on any benefits ..

 

How is it in anyway about people being manipulated? A couple of users themselves have added how comfortable their life was on benefits.

I notice you didn't start using facts to counter my arguement? Please provide evidence to support any arguement to say without working the government would provide enough for me to live which would cost in excess of £20,000 per year.

I think its you thats manipulated, by left wing media telling you benefit scroungers are few and far between.

 

I don't have to find or give you any evidence regarding world/uk poverty,in fact all you need to do is open your eyes.
The whole system is manipulated by the greed of corporate banks, governments and company's.
It's about debt and control.
When I feed the hungry they call me a saint. When I ask why so many people are hungry they call me a communist.
On the contrary I think it is indeed you who is brainwashed.
The combined wealth of the richest 1 percent will overtake that of the other 99 percent of people by 2016, whilst millions of children around the world die daily from starvation and poverty.
The greatest conspiracy of all is to distract you from the truth.

 

The title of this thread is - life on the dole, a good way to live. Nothing about poverty or the richest people in the world.
It's asking whether it is a comfortable life not working and claiming benefits in the UK.

So the question is really, do you think children of parents on the dole in the UK live in poverty?. If the answer is yes please find evidence to support that theory.

Given my own situation I'd say children with parents on the dole live a more comfortable life than kids of working parents

 

the answer to the above is so obvious
free school diners(our local council proudly boast's they spend 87pence per diner) if that's the case how come we working parent's have to pay £2.10, because we are paying for the passenger's,
this is fact i went on the dwp website and entered all our circumstances truthfully and am only £73.00 a MONTH not week better off working. and because of the £73.00 have to pay for everything

 

Kwik.

I think as usual you appear to fail to see the bigger picture, all you seem to do is concentrate on one aspect and then act like a blood hound obsessed to the point of distraction until you find the justification/answer you're after.

All of this is interlinked, there is no black and white it's all about Green, the powers that be use distraction tactics to great effect and many people such as yourself suck it up like a Dyson, become enraged by it and attack one another while those in control count their Billions and the cycle continues.

Not a dig by the way, just a heads up.

Did you actually read the link I posted or look at the Vid Pete posted?

 

Nail on the head!!
It all amounts to the exact same thing.
It can and will only get worse as time goes on, movies like equilibrium could one day be a reality unless people open their eyes, the only way change can be had is people power, unfortunately a high percentage don't worry about all the wrongs happening daily.
Children are dying daily from poverty, illegal wars, the people that rule us are nonses, the big banks launder money for terrorist organisations, also tax evasion for the wealthy, bail outs, cover ups, etc etc etc (all facts)oh well, we get Madonna falling on our front pages, the media play a huge huge part in all this?
What will it actually take for us as peasants to take note and rise against these wrongs?
Will check out Willie Lynch too.

 

You two need medicating.

 

Yes yes, the media is to blame for everything

 

Well go on the bloody dole then if it's so easy! You seem to be portraying how hard your life is working with your kids and all that and that over the fence there is an easy life on the dole to be had so go for it! Think of how much more quality time you'd have with your kids and how they'd benefit. Come on ... get it done!

 

Hopefully a month from now I will .

 

If you can make it work for you fair play to you