I have said before, I think that most people want to work - it is the responsibility of the government to create those conditions, one which they signally fail at

Indeed unemployment is built into our economic policy - the aspiration for full employment is a thing of the past

In fact simple "old skool" contracted jobs (guaranteed hours, sick pay, holiday pay, contributory pension, redundancy entitlement etc etc) seem to be a thing of the past

Again I posted about this a few years ago - unpaid internships, zero hours contracts, pushing people to precarious self employment - all designed to emasculate the work force - except it is failing, people don't earn enough (wage poverty) by buy anything that other people produce - madness

Hence we have a joyless "recovery" that benefits the asset class

 

I've just put in for voluntary redundancy. If I get it then I will be out of a job in just over a month.
I've worked since the day I left school and never been on the dole. During my teens and early twenties I lived in a street where my neighbour was an alcoholic and never worked and the chap opposite hadn't worked for years but had 6 sons and also didn't work due to his size. I was a bit of an odd one out cycling to work at 5 in the morning through snow and rain.
My current job has me working 6 days a week
most weeks, and through November and December it's 7. Last year I earnt over the threshold with overtime, and was penalised by being told we didn't qualify for family tax credits and hit hard by the CSA for my eldest son.

I live in a council house. If I didn't work my rent, council tax and CSA payments would see me nearly £300 a week better off. My biggest fear is that if I don't find another job soon then I will lose all motivation to. However my job at the moment is very stressful and with people being made redundant the lower staffing levels would make it even worse.

I am surrounded by people who do not pay tax whilst working and by people who simply cannot be arsed to work. The temptation of 'If you can't beat them, join them' is only equalled by the desire to teach my children that working is what adults do.

I think in all honesty I have spiralled for the last 6 months into some sort of depression and it's definitely work related.

 

If a lot more people focussed on rowing their own boat rather than eyeing up everyone else's boats then this society would be a much more pleasant place to live.

Too many lazy people.
Too many takers.
Too many people full of excuses for their failings/failures.
And too many parents whose kids can do no wrong. Apparently.

We were all kids once. At what point did it all go wrong?

Surely it must be Thatcher's fault? I have to blame someone else. That's how it works nowadays. Isn't it?

 

Yep, if only we could all be as 'great' as you

 

One of the best posts on this board or a very long time It's a pity the 'Cuilt of Celebrity' generation don't get it!

 

The push to get people into self employment is one of the most infuriating policies that I saw under the last government, because I saw first hand the damage it has done to honest people who want to work, but don't have the skill to manage or setup a business in a already over-subscribed market. In the end they get into a huge mess and rack up huge debts...when I was managing accounts I saw it time and time again, good people screwed over and fooled into thinking self employment is the way.

That said, I couldn't live on the dole: the boredom would make me suicidal.

 

I was a doley for 6 months in 2011, i only signed on to keep up my NI contributions. Worst thing was the boredom, hence me starting up on my own to alleviate this. Going to sign on was a pain though , having to mingle with the beer swilling, lazy long termers

 

st put in for voluntary redundancy. If I get it then I will be out of a job in just over a month.
I've worked since the day I left school and never been on the dole. During my teens and early twenties I lived in a street where my neighbour was an alcoholic and never worked and the chap opposite hadn't worked for years but had 6 sons and also didn't work due to his size. I was a bit of an odd one out cycling to work at 5 in the morning through snow and rain.
My current job has me working 6 days a week
most weeks, and through November and December it's 7. Last year I earnt over the threshold with overtime, and was penalised by being told we didn't qualify for family tax credits and hit hard by the CSA for my eldest son.

I live in a council house. If I didn't work my rent, council tax and CSA payments would see me nearly £300 a week better off. My biggest fear is that if I don't find another job soon then I will lose all motivation to. However my job at the moment is very stressful and with people being made redundant the lower staffing levels would make it even worse.

I am surrounded by people who do not pay tax whilst working and by people who simply cannot be arsed to work. The temptation of 'If you can't beat them, join them' is only equalled by the desire to teach my children that working is what adults do.

I think in all honesty I have spiralled for the last 6 months into some sort of depression and it's definitely work related.[/QUOTE]
same as me right had enough of working for **** all. the difference between working and sitting on ones **** is to small now, if you have kid's it's hardly worth working apart from setting a good example to your children

 

It seems as if you're punished for hard work in recent years.

 

sadly your not wrong, i read somewhere if all these companies that avoid paying corp tax actually paid, then no one earning under 25k per year would have to pay tax. now if i suddenly found myself 1600quid a year better off what am i going to do with it ? oh i know spend it with the same companies,making them better off.we would all be better off without even being given a pay rise,what makes me laugh is it's so simple the greedy *******s just can't see it

 

I don't doubt that, but it's squeeze the poor and let the rich get richer.

 

Yep far too many people with a ridiculous amount of money and far to many living hand to mouth.

Viva La Revolution.

 

A life on the dole isn't really a life to me, it's little more than an existance.

 

But the story we are sold by certain parts of the media is that it is a life of luxury - they live a champagne lifestyle

 

It's not just the media unfortunately. 2 examples of people I know of who are working the system to their advantage.

1. My ex. Gets weekly payments from me and the father of her daughter. Works 19 hours per week so she gets help with her rent, council tax etc and has epilepsy so also gets DLA. Shortly after I had a near nervous breakdown when the CSA raped me 2 years ago and continue to do so each week, just after her husband left her, she tweeted to her 'followers' that she couldn't decide where to go for a mini break - New York or Napoli. We budget £100 for each of our kids for birthdays and Xmas, whereas she bought my eldest son an Apple Mac laptop and an iPhone.

2. A friend of my wife's. Made redundant 2 years ago, rent and council tax is now paid for and gets child tax allowance. All added up, to get a 40hr a week job that would make him better off financially he would need to get at least £10 per hour. So he hasn't worked since.

 

Sure, but neither of those sound like a life of luxury to me

People will always live beyond there means (by the looks of your ex wife)

And I do agree with the Apple generation - utter madness, my 12 year old, snapchatted a picture at a party she went to, all the girls had there iPhones in a line - some 10k's worth

They are 12 ffs (my daughter does not have one btw)

 

The Iphone is a worldwide phenomenon, there's some drunken slapper out here in Croatia that earns around £300 a month and has just got an Iphone, her money would have been better spent clothing her scruffily dressed little girl.

 

Calling it the Apple generation is bollocks, the same could be said with any top end smart phone. Just the world likes to pick on Apple users as being rich kids.

 

yup. I was not really having a pop at Apple particularly,
the point I was making (obviously poorly)

is that a bunch of 12 years olds had the best part of 10K's worth of smartphones - and these are not "rich kids"

 

They have an agenda and it's sponsored by Cameron and Co. frankly!

 

That depends where you are standing. Working 6 days a week and having no money to do anything to show for it. Working 19 hours and having disposable income seems very luxurious to me.
The iPhone/iMac point was more along the lines of her spending £1k on my son (12 yrs old) for Xmas, whilst we bought him a £70 bmx. He has recently spent a lot of time at the doctors due to his mood swings. His mum was adamant he was depressed. Whereas it turned out he lacks vitamin D, so doesn't get enough sunlight. Instead of going out on his bike, he continues to stay in on his xbox, iPhone and iMac and instead takes vitamin d supplements.
He is the mirror opposite of his Kung fu black belt, Cub Scout younger brother.

He also lacks motivation, his school work isn't the best and he is often late and always on detention. Everything is always everyone else's fault as like his mum he lives in the blame others culture. He doesn't seem to have much ambition either.

 

A 12 year old with seasonal affective disorder!

 

I mmm, this can be a problem with boys

and I agree with the basic premise that work should always pay

my problem is when it gets used as a very blunt tool to simply depress benefits (help/support) - you just have a race to the bottom

where you have **** pay and even sh1tter help/support, the losers are always going to be those at the bottom - some may deserve it (the pyjama wearing layabouts with bad teeth)

but a lot don't - for whatever reason, whether in benefits (i.e. need help/support - hopefully temporarily) or in low paid jobs - that ironically still need benefits - so the state is subsidising employers

 

Sad isn't it

 

I was on the dole for 4 month 5 years ago when the company what i work for went bust after 13 years me working for them.I decide to go on the dole till i find new job.Me and my missus was unemployed then and we got 2 kids 6 and 10 yo then.As fas as i remember we was getting:
Child tax credit 900£ month
Child benefit 130£ month
Housing benefit 550£ month
Jsa 280£ month
Total 1860£ month
No council tax after we pay our rent of 550£ month we got 1310£ left free of tax to spend.Not bad money for doing nothing but that was not for me **** that.
It was right pain over thoes months,i was keep getting letters 2-3 times a month from council,hmrs,job centre etc to provide them with my current circumstances.And going to job centre every 2 weeks was another pain.
Not for me.

 

I feel for you, it must have been really hard that

 

Most people hate not working, some people will sit on their **** for as long as they can.
It's not just the media, these things actually happen.

 

Hahahaha

 

 

But the main problem still lies with the media!
Yes I agree there will be a minority who take the pi55 but you get those minority's in every part of life.
It's all part of the msm hate campaign, mind manipulation through tv programmes the papers etc
Like I said in a previous post it's the same with Muslims hate. Msm = evil.
The media manipulate everything.....
What we wear
What we should eat
What we should buy
What we watch
Who we like
Who we dislike..........