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I can't understand why they get het up about CCTV
there was CCTV, it showed blurred images - but then that is what all the CCTV I have ever seen does, it is **** technology for capturing a slow moving mugger in a shop let alone a low flying object travelling at 500 MPH (the frame rate is sooo low)
and they have released CCTV footage, released under a FOI request - the ones from the Hotel over the road and the Garage - that conspiritards said would deffo prove it was a flying pig
and guess what they show fvck all for two really simple reasons,
1. they were not pointing at the sky, they usually point at the ground where people/cars usually are - to compensate for the fact that they are **** quality and
2. because CCTV is **** quality
and these conspiritards would not be convinced by high speed footage anyway - just like they haven't been with footage of the planes hitting the twin towers
they would simply say - "mmmm how come the Pentagon had high speed footage of a "plane" - isn't that a bit suspicious - I mean did they know something"
and why if CCTV is so crucial, why is there none of the planes hitting the towers, plenty of "tourist" videos (unsurprising as it is New York - and if you have ever been to New York you will see people looking up ALL the fvcking time)
but no CCTV footage, why? well
1. they were not pointing at the sky, they usually point at the ground where people/cars usually are - to compensate for the fact that they are **** quality and
2. because CCTV is **** quality
there was CCTV, it showed blurred images - but then that is what all the CCTV I have ever seen does, it is **** technology for capturing a slow moving mugger in a shop let alone a low flying object travelling at 500 MPH (the frame rate is sooo low)
and they have released CCTV footage, released under a FOI request - the ones from the Hotel over the road and the Garage - that conspiritards said would deffo prove it was a flying pig
and guess what they show fvck all for two really simple reasons,
1. they were not pointing at the sky, they usually point at the ground where people/cars usually are - to compensate for the fact that they are **** quality and
2. because CCTV is **** quality
and these conspiritards would not be convinced by high speed footage anyway - just like they haven't been with footage of the planes hitting the twin towers
they would simply say - "mmmm how come the Pentagon had high speed footage of a "plane" - isn't that a bit suspicious - I mean did they know something"
and why if CCTV is so crucial, why is there none of the planes hitting the towers, plenty of "tourist" videos (unsurprising as it is New York - and if you have ever been to New York you will see people looking up ALL the fvcking time)
but no CCTV footage, why? well
1. they were not pointing at the sky, they usually point at the ground where people/cars usually are - to compensate for the fact that they are **** quality and
2. because CCTV is **** quality
and again the other cctv cameras that probably captured better footage than the one released
here it is again
your argument that it is unlikely any cctv would have picked up some footage isnt good enough and i think those pictures show your opinion to be flawed
here it is again
your argument that it is unlikely any cctv would have picked up some footage isnt good enough and i think those pictures show your opinion to be flawed
Last edited by gary77; Feb 2, 2015 at 11:37 PM.
Shocking List Of Official Proven False Flag Attacks
http://yournewswire.com/shocking-lis...-flag-attacks/
http://yournewswire.com/shocking-lis...-flag-attacks/
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what is the frame rate the CCTV was running at - would it have caught a plane
and that is before I simply took for granted that, that is a correct image anyway
post the source of the image
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stops the governments brain scans you know,,,,,
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Shocking List Of Official Proven False Flag Attacks
http://yournewswire.com/shocking-lis...-flag-attacks/
http://yournewswire.com/shocking-lis...-flag-attacks/
Sources close to him said 'we thought he was going to **** himself'
to give a better idea of the cctv that would have caught better footage than the one released
as for the motorway cam i dont know if it was there during the attack or not but it gives an example of the kind of cctv that could of captured footage of the plane, even if it would be blurry due to frame rates
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...howtopic=14873
as for the motorway cam i dont know if it was there during the attack or not but it gives an example of the kind of cctv that could of captured footage of the plane, even if it would be blurry due to frame rates
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...howtopic=14873
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From: Notts
to give a better idea of the cctv that would have caught better footage than the one released
as for the motorway cam i dont know if it was there during the attack or not but it gives an example of the kind of cctv that could of captured footage of the plane, even if it would be blurry due to frame rates
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...howtopic=14873
as for the motorway cam i dont know if it was there during the attack or not but it gives an example of the kind of cctv that could of captured footage of the plane, even if it would be blurry due to frame rates
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...howtopic=14873
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At the end of the day it's a very controversial subject, everyone seems to have their own opinion as to what happened on that day, an opinion they are of course entitled too.
My personal opinion is I don't for one minute believe the official story, an opinion I am entitled too, who's right? Who's wrong? No one really knows for sure.
One day the complete truth will come out, not in our generation though unless Putin has great big *****.
My personal opinion is I don't for one minute believe the official story, an opinion I am entitled too, who's right? Who's wrong? No one really knows for sure.
One day the complete truth will come out, not in our generation though unless Putin has great big *****.
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I'm not entirely sure, allegedly Putin may have evidence that 911 is not all it seems?
With the tensions worsening between Russia and the US regarding Ukraine Putin may have a back up plan?
Before anyone starts I know Putin expressed on record soon after 911 that it could not be kept a secret if it was an inside job so highly unlikely it was an internal job.
Like I said allegedly, like everything else regarding 911.
With the tensions worsening between Russia and the US regarding Ukraine Putin may have a back up plan?
Before anyone starts I know Putin expressed on record soon after 911 that it could not be kept a secret if it was an inside job so highly unlikely it was an internal job.
Like I said allegedly, like everything else regarding 911.
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I'm not entirely sure, allegedly Putin may have evidence that 911 is not all it seems?
With the tensions worsening between Russia and the US regarding Ukraine Putin may have a back up plan?
Before anyone starts I know Putin expressed on record soon after 911 that it could not be kept a secret if it was an inside job so highly unlikely it was an internal job.
Like I said allegedly, like everything else regarding 911.
With the tensions worsening between Russia and the US regarding Ukraine Putin may have a back up plan?
Before anyone starts I know Putin expressed on record soon after 911 that it could not be kept a secret if it was an inside job so highly unlikely it was an internal job.
Like I said allegedly, like everything else regarding 911.
As I have said before, 'what happened' and 'how' are settled, 'who' is the only option left for opinion.
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No doubt the source is some conspiracist site! You are correct, everyone is entitled their opinion, but you can have an opinion on who, the question of what is factual, there is no opinion. If you say a missile hit, but the evidence says a plane hit (as well as plenty of eye witness testimony) then that is not opinion, that is just simply denying the facts.
As I have said before, 'what happened' and 'how' are settled, 'who' is the only option left for opinion.
As I have said before, 'what happened' and 'how' are settled, 'who' is the only option left for opinion.
The pentagon however??? Plane missile who really knows 100%? none of us that's for sure, eyewitness accounts yes but zero photographic evidence to suggest either or.
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This is a great little article
Published on BBC's website only this week, as I read it I just couldn't help thinking about conspiracy theorists
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31302312
Published on BBC's website only this week, as I read it I just couldn't help thinking about conspiracy theorists
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31302312
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They flew planes into the WTC but then decided rather than doing the same to the Pentagon they use a missile instead, then pretend it was a plane?
Why not just fly a plane into it instead?
Pete, do you not see that this would be a rather strange way of carrying out such an attack?
Why not just fly a plane into it instead?
Pete, do you not see that this would be a rather strange way of carrying out such an attack?
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Show me conclusive photographic evidence that proves 100% a plane hit the pentagon! I want to see a plane, surely that should be easy enough if you have witnessed lots of photographic evidence proving it was a huge airliner.
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They flew planes into the WTC but then decided rather than doing the same to the Pentagon they use a missile instead, then pretend it was a plane?
Why not just fly a plane into it instead?
Pete, do you not see that this would be a rather strange way of carrying out such an attack?
Why not just fly a plane into it instead?
Pete, do you not see that this would be a rather strange way of carrying out such an attack?
Why not just use an airliner rather than a missile?
I can give you numerous reasons why using a missile instead of an airliner is easier.
I can give you one reason why using an airliner instead of a missile.
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Who said anything about faked? Not me I'm afraid.
Show me conclusive photographic evidence that proves 100% a plane hit the pentagon! I want to see a plane, surely that should be easy enough if you have witnessed lots of photographic evidence proving it was a huge airliner.
Show me conclusive photographic evidence that proves 100% a plane hit the pentagon! I want to see a plane, surely that should be easy enough if you have witnessed lots of photographic evidence proving it was a huge airliner.
You mean photos of wreckage on the lawn
I know you want to see a plane - great, but just because you want to see a plane; because that is the proof YOU need does not mean that a plane did not hit the pentagon
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You mean photos of the landing gear inside the pentagon, you mean photos of the engine inside the pentagon
You mean photos of wreckage on the lawn
I know you want to see a plane - great, but just because you want to see a plane; because that is the proof YOU need does not mean that a plane did not hit the pentagon
You mean photos of wreckage on the lawn
I know you want to see a plane - great, but just because you want to see a plane; because that is the proof YOU need does not mean that a plane did not hit the pentagon
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Of course a missile is easy to use, but that's not the point is it?
Why go to all the trouble of 'hijacking' 3 planes and crashing them into things, but then decide to fire a missile at the Pentagon? You then have to persuade the world that it was a plane?
Because there is very little footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon, you then decide that it must be a missle - go figure.
Not very logical is it?
They flew planes into the WTC but then decided rather than doing the same to the Pentagon they use a missile instead, then pretend it was a plane?
Why not just fly a plane into it instead?
Pete, do you not see that this would be a rather strange way of carrying out such an attack?
Why not just fly a plane into it instead?
Pete, do you not see that this would be a rather strange way of carrying out such an attack?
The mind boggles at why a cabal of people supposedly so devious and well-connected would put themselves through such complex logistical hoops to carry out their nefarious deeds, but hey, who cares so long as it fits with our nutty theory, right?
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before! - as we have already established pages and pages ago, this was 2001 before the smart phone, before even the camera phone
why would there be photos of a plane "before"
you have made clear that you want to see a still high definition photo of a plane seconds before it hits the pentagon - then a cartoon plane shaped hole in the side
sorry but the world does not revolve around what you need as "definitive proof"
as my link to the BBC article regarding music shuffle algorithms proves - people can't handle reality (with all it's inherent randomness) they need it manufactured
Spotify have the ability to "manufacture" the randomness of a music playlist so that it conforms to people "view" of what random should be
but we don't have the luxury of rearranging the events of 911 to suite you - there probably is no high def photo - but plenty of other evidence
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The truly absurd part isn't just that this plot would involve using a missile instead, it's that it would involve using a missile instead of a plane, and having to make a large airliner disappear, and all of the 157 crew and passengers who were supposed to have been on board the thing, without leaving a single trace as to their whereabouts.
The mind boggles at why a cabal of people supposedly so devious and well-connected would put themselves through such complex logistical hoops to carry out their nefarious deeds, but hey, who cares so long as it fits with our nutty theory, right?
The mind boggles at why a cabal of people supposedly so devious and well-connected would put themselves through such complex logistical hoops to carry out their nefarious deeds, but hey, who cares so long as it fits with our nutty theory, right?
you wouldn't use a loaded plane. That's far to much hassle.
The interesting thing about this thread is the fact that so many people seem to think the official story needs to be constantly repeated and reinforced. It really doesn’t need it, we've all heard it, it’s already in the history books. Also, why is it that sceptics are ridiculed and belittled for questioning this official story? There are many thousands of informed, experienced, and very intelligent people who are unhappy about the official story of the Pentagon attack. Pilots and military men included. My late father, an aeronautical engineer of international repute, was deeply disturbed by the official explanation, with it’s anomalies and contradictions. He was not alone amongst his colleagues. And my brother in law, currently a 747 Captain with a flagship carrier, with many years of flying 757s, and training people to fly them, says categorically that a 757 could not be flown into the pentagon at that location and height. Cruise missile yes, 757 no way. He is not alone amongst pilots for this opinion by any means. So, do all the people who question the official line hang out on nutty conspiracy sites and wear tin foil hats? Of course not. The atrocity of 9/11 killed 3000 people, and events that followed have killed literally millions more. It is our absolute duty to constantly scrutinise, criticise,and pass judgement on, the activities and explanations of our governments. Especially a government/establishment with a proven track record of lies and deceit.
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The interesting thing about this thread is the fact that so many people seem to think the official story needs to be constantly repeated and reinforced. It really doesn’t need it, we've all heard it, it’s already in the history books. Also, why is it that sceptics are ridiculed and belittled for questioning this official story? There are many thousands of informed, experienced, and very intelligent people who are unhappy about the official story of the Pentagon attack. Pilots and military men included. My late father, an aeronautical engineer of international repute, was deeply disturbed by the official explanation, with it’s anomalies and contradictions. He was not alone amongst his colleagues. And my brother in law, currently a 747 Captain with a flagship carrier, with many years of flying 757s, and training people to fly them, says categorically that a 757 could not be flown into the pentagon at that location and height. Cruise missile yes, 757 no way. He is not alone amongst pilots for this opinion by any means. So, do all the people who question the official line hang out on nutty conspiracy sites and wear tin foil hats? Of course not. The atrocity of 9/11 killed 3000 people, and events that followed have killed literally millions more. It is our absolute duty to constantly scrutinise, criticise,and pass judgement on, the activities and explanations of our governments. Especially a government/establishment with a proven track record of lies and deceit.
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The interesting thing about this thread is the fact that so many people seem to think the official story needs to be constantly repeated and reinforced. It really doesn’t need it, we've all heard it, it’s already in the history books. Also, why is it that sceptics are ridiculed and belittled for questioning this official story? There are many thousands of informed, experienced, and very intelligent people who are unhappy about the official story of the Pentagon attack. Pilots and military men included. My late father, an aeronautical engineer of international repute, was deeply disturbed by the official explanation, with it’s anomalies and contradictions. He was not alone amongst his colleagues. And my brother in law, currently a 747 Captain with a flagship carrier, with many years of flying 757s, and training people to fly them, says categorically that a 757 could not be flown into the pentagon at that location and height. Cruise missile yes, 757 no way. He is not alone amongst pilots for this opinion by any means. So, do all the people who question the official line hang out on nutty conspiracy sites and wear tin foil hats? Of course not. The atrocity of 9/11 killed 3000 people, and events that followed have killed literally millions more. It is our absolute duty to constantly scrutinise, criticise,and pass judgement on, the activities and explanations of our governments. Especially a government/establishment with a proven track record of lies and deceit.
