So who actually doesnt mind/like non whites/British on here then?
21 January 2015, 03:17 PM
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Oh, it's exactly the same, I agree; apart from the **** one being on the p7ss. Without going on about football on this thread, I agree that the national flag has become more symbolic to the aggressive racist attitudes than the genuine devotion for the country. But that's not the flag's fault. So, I won't hate the flag. If I did, it would be like me hating Swastika because that stupid Hitler stole it. If I did, than I need more education to learnt that the swastika itself doesn't give out the message of killing jews. About the need for flying the flag in your garden, people won't necessarily fly it because they're insecure racists. it could be because they're genuinely celebrating an event e.g. football match win or just something national. I haven't seen anyone flying this flag in their garden (may be a displayed one out of the window; in Liverpool or somewhere), but it will be wrong to automatically think that everyone who flies / displays this flag in their garden must have racist motives. They may do, but they may not. They must be genuinely in love with their country, without wanting to offend anyone. I think the prejudice has to be sorted at both ends. If the insecurity causes insecurity, if a threat causes threat, there's no end to it. This cycle has to be broken.
The poppy was hijacked by the EDL (well they made badges in the shape of a poppy) but anyone with half a brain knows the true meaning of a poppy.
21 January 2015, 03:22 PM
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Sorry but the St George's Cross flag has nasty and sinister connotations now.
There is no way in a million years I want anything to do with it and the last thing I would display it on my property or car.
FFS someone might actually think........
.... I liked football
There is no way in a million years I want anything to do with it and the last thing I would display it on my property or car.
FFS someone might actually think........
.... I liked football
21 January 2015, 04:00 PM
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Well said. I would imagine anyone who sees the cross of St George or Union Jack and is threatened is not someone who's family historically played a part in either the first or Second World War.
The poppy was hijacked by the EDL (well they made badges in the shape of a poppy) but anyone with half a brain knows the true meaning of a poppy.
The poppy was hijacked by the EDL (well they made badges in the shape of a poppy) but anyone with half a brain knows the true meaning of a poppy.
When I visited Guyana, I saw little Hindu flags on sticks all over the place at places. They weren't the political flags but the religious ones. Their orange and red display was acceptable to my eyes, as I'm used to seeing all that in India. But yes, if I saw the country's full size national flag flying high in somebody's garden, I would have thought they were the PM of Guyana. Even if they weren't, I would have taken a picture. Not of the person, but of the flag in the garden. It's quite a sight as stuck in the middle of a garden, I think.
In India, most schools have Indian national flag hoisting ceremonies on the Independence Day and Republic Day. I always wanted to hoist one, but the tall boys always got the duty to do it. Our school pole looked a bit like Spoon's pole, but much taller. I think that could be one reason why flag waving doesn't offend me, because I've seen it a lot in my life. Better than ***** waving, tbh. Welsh are always flying their flag in here. On the house walls, cars, on the pens, or in a shape of car freshener etc. I love it. Dragon on it is spectacular! I actually took one as a gift to India, and my Indian family have it displayed on their wall there.
PS: Please don't rudify the 'pole' mention in my post.
I have no idea of 'that' sort of pole that Spoon may possess, nor do I know any Polish person cleaning Spoon's drive.
21 January 2015, 04:02 PM
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In my opinion St. George should be celebrated and the George Cross flown proudly. St. George himself represented many communities and would be horrified to find his name synonymous with racism or extremism.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...23/hewasbornin
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...23/hewasbornin
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I ask again what does whether my family are of British descent have to do with that? Why do you think that makes it more likely I would associate it with racism? That's actually closet racism in itself that sort of thinking!
21 January 2015, 06:15 PM
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In my opinion St. George should be celebrated and the George Cross flown proudly. St. George himself represented many communities and would be horrified to find his name synonymous with racism or extremism.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...23/hewasbornin
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...23/hewasbornin
21 January 2015, 06:16 PM
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21 January 2015, 06:19 PM
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In my opinion St. George should be celebrated and the George Cross flown proudly. St. George himself represented many communities and would be horrified to find his name synonymous with racism or extremism.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...23/hewasbornin
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...23/hewasbornin
Too right....
No other ****** got up and volunteered to slay the dragon....
21 January 2015, 07:05 PM
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The idea of some skin head displaying the flag pales in comparison to the fields of poppies, when it comes to thinking about England or Britain's modern history.
Without researching it further the percentage of EDL or BNP activists compared to the population of white British I would imagine would be far lower than the percentage of Muslims arrested over terror plots compared to the Muslim population in the UK.
So it stands to reason really that a flag shouldn't represent racism when it is a very very small percentage using it for their own agenda.
21 January 2015, 07:16 PM
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Eh? As an example a lot of British people, including myself, grew up with stories of heroism of either the first or Second World War of their grandads and great grandads. Or even of evacuation, rationing and a nation United against a facist regime. Or even the British iconic flag on the soldiers backpack during the Falklands.
The idea of some skin head displaying the flag pales in comparison to the fields of poppies, when it comes to thinking about England or Britain's modern history.
Without researching it further the percentage of EDL or BNP activists compared to the population of white British I would imagine would be far lower than the percentage of Muslims arrested over terror plots compared to the Muslim population in the UK.
So it stands to reason really that a flag shouldn't represent racism when it is a very very small percentage using it for their own agenda.
The idea of some skin head displaying the flag pales in comparison to the fields of poppies, when it comes to thinking about England or Britain's modern history.
Without researching it further the percentage of EDL or BNP activists compared to the population of white British I would imagine would be far lower than the percentage of Muslims arrested over terror plots compared to the Muslim population in the UK.
So it stands to reason really that a flag shouldn't represent racism when it is a very very small percentage using it for their own agenda.
21 January 2015, 07:21 PM
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21 January 2015, 08:45 PM
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I can't say why you aren't proud of England, Britain or its flags. That's something only you can answer.
21 January 2015, 09:54 PM
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I don't have an issue with the flag per se, but what is there to be proud of about being English?
We are a nation of w4nkers, fighting wars that aren't ours to fight, universally despised at every holiday destination in Europe due to our general behaviour, our youth gets drunk and fights every weekend, we are generally lazy, politically inactive and becoming less and less educated. Even the Scottish, the Welsh and the Irish hate us because of how we behave!
My grandfathers fought in both world wars..... they did not, however, fight to see the country turn into this bloody joke!
We are a nation of w4nkers, fighting wars that aren't ours to fight, universally despised at every holiday destination in Europe due to our general behaviour, our youth gets drunk and fights every weekend, we are generally lazy, politically inactive and becoming less and less educated. Even the Scottish, the Welsh and the Irish hate us because of how we behave!
My grandfathers fought in both world wars..... they did not, however, fight to see the country turn into this bloody joke!
21 January 2015, 10:00 PM
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I don't have an issue with the flag per se, but what is there to be proud of about being English?
We are a nation of w4nkers, fighting wars that aren't ours to fight, universally despised at every holiday destination in Europe due to our general behaviour, our youth gets drunk and fights every weekend, we are generally lazy, politically inactive and becoming less and less educated. Even the Scottish, the Welsh and the Irish hate us because of how we behave!
My grandfathers fought in both world wars..... they did not, however, fight to see the country turn into this bloody joke!
We are a nation of w4nkers, fighting wars that aren't ours to fight, universally despised at every holiday destination in Europe due to our general behaviour, our youth gets drunk and fights every weekend, we are generally lazy, politically inactive and becoming less and less educated. Even the Scottish, the Welsh and the Irish hate us because of how we behave!
My grandfathers fought in both world wars..... they did not, however, fight to see the country turn into this bloody joke!
21 January 2015, 10:58 PM
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I don't have an issue with the flag per se, but what is there to be proud of about being English? We are a nation of w4nkers, fighting wars that aren't ours to fight, universally despised at every holiday destination in Europe due to our general behaviour, our youth gets drunk and fights every weekend, we are generally lazy, politically inactive and becoming less and less educated. Even the Scottish, the Welsh and the Irish hate us because of how we behave! My grandfathers fought in both world wars..... they did not, however, fight to see the country turn into this bloody joke!
We've made mistakes, mainly down to our desire to be a lap dog to the U.S. But we are rich in history, have democracy even if the choice isn't good. We open our doors to anyone wanting to make this their home as long as they contribute in a positive way.
I think sometimes it's easier to see the negative.
Put it this way. Your grandfathers thought it was worth laying their lives on the line for, as did mine.
23 January 2015, 12:45 AM
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23 January 2015, 10:12 AM
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Interesting watch....
Muslims Are Taking Over The World at an ALARMING Rate - MUSLIM IMMIGRATION - YouTube
Muslims Are Taking Over The World at an ALARMING Rate - MUSLIM IMMIGRATION - YouTube
Don't Panic the Truth About Population:
24 January 2015, 08:55 PM
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I personally dont have a problem with anyone, I dont have a problem with immigration if controlled, I dont think most British people do, I think we generally welcome folk from other parts of the world and are interested in their cultures.
There is only one issue, and it is a very very small percentage of Muslims causing issues, some of which we have caused but not all.
There is only one issue, and it is a very very small percentage of Muslims causing issues, some of which we have caused but not all.