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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 08:45 PM
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Just watched it and I'm left with mixed feelings. On the one hand I feel sorry for Colin and his mates: they're clearly disillusioned and need somebody to put their arm round them and show them other ways to protest against so-called radical Islamism. On the other hand I find what they're doing a bit embarrassing - as per my Britain First thread I feel the 'far-right' have hijacked the flag and the notion of patriotism. They sense something's wrong, but owing to the way they've been socialised they express it in a way that actually undermines their grievance and makes them the villains. They harm the counter-jihadi movement. They're anti-recruiters. Ironic.

It's also frustrating that impressionable, but intelligent young people are pushed to the far-left and end up co-opting Islamist narrative in response to the hate and anger spewed out by Colin's lot. The former end up becoming useful idiots - pawns in a bigger game - their intellect loses out to naiveté and it's the fault of the far-right.

I want to post a bit more about this later, but my dinner's ready.
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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 08:49 PM
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Football hooligans who need any excuse for a scrap, makes you laugh when they run their group from one members mums house. If they want to fight that much why dont they join the army???
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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor



So you may not have caught their politics during the documentary, but hopefully the above gives a greater insight in to the absurdity of the ironically entitled UAF.



Which ones?


Fine, so we did not hear their politics, you just threw it in the mix - you use same shabby tactics as those daft conspiracy theorist

You won't answer my last question accept with a daft smiley

And from the same wiki page


Unite Against Fascism (abbreviated as UAF) is an anti-fascist pressure group in the United Kingdom, with support from politicians of all mainstream UK political parties, including the current Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron and the late Labour politician Tony Benn. It describes itself as a national campaign with the aim of alerting British society to a perceived threat of fascism and the far right — in particular the British National Party (BNP) — gaining a foothold at local, national and European elections, arguing that "there is a real danger that the BNP could get a significant platform in elected institutions."

It does not sound like the shady Underground far left group you describe

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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by theboy
Football hooligans who need any excuse for a scrap, makes you laugh when they run their group from one members mums house. If they want to fight that much why dont they join the army???
Or take up boxing? Or martial arts, or MMA.

I tell you why? Because on their own, blokes like that are total weeds; look at them all; skinny wretches just like most so called hooligans.
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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyWon't
What did you have for dinner?
Ricotta, mushroom and black truffle sacchettini, with homemade tomato sauce, a little black pepper and a sprinkling of parmesan, all washed down with an ice cold bottle of Hobgoblin.
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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Fine, so we did not hear their politics
We certainly didn't.

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
you just threw it in the mix - you use same shabby tactics as those daft conspiracy theorist
Do I? You seem to be engaging in sophistry with the sentence above.

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You won't answer my last question accept with a daft smiley
I just wanted you to point out which particular set of fascists you were referring to. Tatchell sums it up nicely.

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Unite Against Fascism (abbreviated as UAF) is an anti-fascist pressure group in the United Kingdom, with support from politicians of all mainstream UK political parties, including the current Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron and the late Labour politician Tony Benn. It describes itself as a national campaign with the aim of alerting British society to a perceived threat of fascism and the far right — in particular the British National Party (BNP) — gaining a foothold at local, national and European elections, arguing that "there is a real danger that the BNP could get a significant platform in elected institutions."

It does not sound like the shady Underground far left group you describe
It's politically expedient for the centrist parties to endorse UAF.
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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Ricotta, mushroom and black truffle sacchettini, with homemade tomato sauce, a little black pepper and a sprinkling of parmesan, all washed down with an ice cold bottle of Hobgoblin.
You drank an ale ICE COLD?!

HEATHEN!
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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
You drank an ale ICE COLD?!

HEATHEN!
I know, but a ruby's particularly thirst quenching out of the fridge.
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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor;


It's politically expedient for the centrist parties to endorse UAF.
Here are the list of the UAF

Honorary presidents - Doreen Lawrence, Baroness Lawrence of Clarendon, Ken Livingstone
Chair – Steve Hart, political officer, Unite
Vice chair – Christine Blower, general secretary, NUT
Vice chair – Hugh Lanning, deputy general secretary, PCS
Vice chair – Azad Ali
Vice chair – Jennifer Moses, national official for equality and training, NASUWT
Treasurer – Jane Loftus, deputy general secretary, CWU
Joint secretary – Weyman Bennett
Joint secretary – Sabby Dhalu

Assistant secretary – Brian Richardson
Parliamentary Officer – Peter Hain MP
European officer – Claude Moraes MEP

All I see is the mother of a murderd child, the ex mayor of London, Peter Hain MP, some trade union activists

Oh and presumably you will point to some Muslim bloke who said some crap or other - and use it as some evidence of "equivelence" and suggest that this UAF is a far left islamic group presumably with terrorist sympathise is somehow similiar to those fascist nutters - it supports your joyless hate filled world view

For the record before you posted and hadn't clue who the UAF where/are
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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Here are the list of the UAF

Honorary presidents - Doreen Lawrence, Baroness Lawrence of Clarendon, Ken Livingstone
Chair – Steve Hart, political officer, Unite
Vice chair – Christine Blower, general secretary, NUT
Vice chair – Hugh Lanning, deputy general secretary, PCS
Vice chair – Azad Ali
Vice chair – Jennifer Moses, national official for equality and training, NASUWT
Treasurer – Jane Loftus, deputy general secretary, CWU
Joint secretary – Weyman Bennett
Joint secretary – Sabby Dhalu

Assistant secretary – Brian Richardson
Parliamentary Officer – Peter Hain MP
European officer – Claude Moraes MEP

All I see is the mother of a murderd child, the ex mayor of London, Peter Hain MP, some trade union activists

Oh and presumably you will point to some Muslim bloke who said some crap or other - and use it as some evidence of "equivelence" and suggest that this UAF is a far left islamic group presumably with terrorist sympathise is somehow similiar to those fascist nutters - it supports your joyless hate filled world view

For the record before you posted and hadn't clue who the UAF where/are
Ok, well seeing as though you're getting personal I think we can end this exchange.
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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 10:23 PM
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Ok, well seeing as though you're getting personal I think we can end this exchange.
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dogs B******s
Nail on the head....
I thought you'd like that. However the fact remains that the British have been doing some awful stuff around the world whilst spreading the empire. Now you have the audacity to moan when someone gives you a taste of your own medicine.

Food for thought.

So who is right and who is wrong? I know very well it wasn't you or anyone on this forum that committed evil in the name of the empire. So why should I expect a condemnation from you?

Will you British extend this courtesy to us muslims today? Of course there is the left who are the very reason why there is not much terrorism from British Muslims today however will a time come when the left will be the accepted voice without mockery?
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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaid
I thought you'd like that However the fact remains that the British have been doing some awful stuff around the world whilst spreading the empire. Now you have the audacity to moan when someone gives you a taste of your own medicine.

Food for thought.

So who is right and who is wrong? I know very well it wasn't you or anyone on this forum that committed evil in the name of the empire. So why should I expect a condemnation from you?

Will you British extend this courtesy to us muslims today? Of course there is the left who are the very reason why there is not much terrorism from British Muslims today however will a time come when the left will be the accepted voice without mockery?
You think white people don't like Muslims and white people think Muslims don't like them.
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Old Jan 17, 2015 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Yes, this was one of the most powerful scenes, when Colin is speaking to the camera at the of the program, sounding wearily disillusioned by it all, and he speaks of powerlessness, poor upbringing, loneliness, feeling marginalised and an outsider - and how the far right gave him a sense of belonging, a family

I am sure if he wrote it all down, his life story, with all the anguish, grim unremitting harshness and loneliness - it would chime with those two French terrorists stories

Substitute him with them, and the far right with radical islam

Different sides of the same coin
Just watched it, and........

+1.
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