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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 12:47 PM
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Could you provide me with a link to this poll, please? I would be interested in seeing where it was conducted and by whom. There's also the question of cultural pressure. I'm sure if said poll was conducted in a mosque there would be more positive responses than if it was conducted anonymously over the web. I'd also like to know the educational background of the respondents etc. etc. In other words, just how reliable is the statistic you're citing?
Unfortunately not, I heard it quoted on Radio 5 after this story broke, during one of their studio discussion slots as opposed to news slots.
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 12:58 PM
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 01:18 PM
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I don't recall anyone in the production team being firebombed and later shot to death over it tho Maz?
No, which is why I said controversy and not carnage.
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 01:20 PM
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Bloody hell they've even got to the Guardian, the last bastion of the leftest tree hugger. Is nowhere safe?!
That's selectively taken from the reader's comments section.

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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 01:27 PM
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something about a second hostage situation happening in france now, supermarket this time? or is that where the hostages came from the terrorists have?
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 01:30 PM
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http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268777/con...tguid=tmSs8iSc
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 01:33 PM
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"In Plymouth, at the preview night at the Theatre Royal, a group of about 40 Christian Voice supporters turned out to sing hymns and hand out leaflets to the audience as they entered the theatre."

A typical example of Devonian barbarism..
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
I'm sure you'll recall the controversy surrounding Jerry Springer the Opera.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry...ger:_The_Opera
I think the Sikhs had a play banned - and threats to the playwright a few years ago

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4170297.stm

one common theme though
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
I think the Sikhs had a play banned - and threats to the playwright a few years ago

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4170297.stm

one common theme though
Quite a lot banned in China, North Korea, communist Russia, **** Germany etc. Common theme there, too.
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
This whole 'Muslims should condemn these acts' mantra gets right on my t1ts.

I don't seem to remember any similar requirement for all Catholics to condemn the IRA in the 70s and 80s.
A very quick search came up with this after 1 IRA atrocity.......

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=6520,5063327
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by coupe_20vt
A very quick search came up with this after 1 IRA atrocity.......

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=6520,5063327
There were many more supporting and funding them across the pond.
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Quite a lot banned in China, North Korea, communist Russia, **** Germany etc. Common theme there, too.
true

two common themes - lol
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
There were many more supporting and funding them across the pond.
Very true.
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
Comment from the Guardian sums things up nicely;
The problem is, muslims hate free speech, even thou they do not support terrorism. Thats why they are incompatible with our values. Free speech is the cornerstone of our societies and this right allows everybody to speak their minds freely, and we DONT CARE if your prophet doesnt like it!!! So muslims, if you dont agree with our rules, you should leave the west and move to your barbaric theocracies, where muslims have the right to oppress everybody else
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by coupe_20vt
Very true.
Similarly the Saudis are funding quite a few lunatics.
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
true

two common themes - lol
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 02:24 PM
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joking aside

actually a simple theme - ignorance & intolerance
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 02:34 PM
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Sky News really are a bunch of tossers. Making out this is a wave of attacks now and could be something much bigger going to happen. FFS no it's not, there were 3 people involved in the Charlie Hebdo attack, 2 have gone one way and holed up and the other gone another and is now holed up with hostages. That is not a wave of attacks, it's the 3 people they are after in 2 different locations and nothing more. The press really are scum trying to scare people into thinking it's a lot more than it is.
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
Sky News really are a bunch of tossers. Making out this is a wave of attacks now and could be something much bigger going to happen. FFS no it's not, there were 3 people involved in the Charlie Hebdo attack, 2 have gone one way and holed up and the other gone another and is now holed up with hostages. That is not a wave of attacks, it's the 3 people they are after in 2 different locations and nothing more. The press really are scum trying to scare people into thinking it's a lot more than it is.
Lets hope so .....
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 02:59 PM
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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/paris-shoo...4.html#VNgdE7U

Sounds like a second hostage situation in a Jewish grocery store now - apparently 2 dead and a family and children taken hostage.

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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 03:05 PM
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/paris-shoo...4.html#VNgdE7U

Sounds like a second hostage situation in a Jewish grocery store now - apparently 2 dead and a family and children taken hostage.
yeah, i think they all missed my post about it earlier
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
"In Plymouth, at the preview night at the Theatre Royal, a group of about 40 Christian Voice supporters turned out to sing hymns and hand out leaflets to the audience as they entered the theatre."

A typical example of Devonian barbarism..
Could be worse, it could have been invaders from the Democratic Peoples Republic of Cornwall.
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
Sky News really are a bunch of tossers. Making out this is a wave of attacks now and could be something much bigger going to happen. FFS no it's not, there were 3 people involved in the Charlie Hebdo attack, 2 have gone one way and holed up and the other gone another and is now holed up with hostages. That is not a wave of attacks, it's the 3 people they are after in 2 different locations and nothing more. The press really are scum trying to scare people into thinking it's a lot more than it is.
I though the third was an 18 year old who had given himself up the day after the Charlie attack
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
I though the third was an 18 year old who had given himself up the day after the Charlie attack
Correct
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
I though the third was an 18 year old who had given himself up the day after the Charlie attack
Originally Posted by riiidaa
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The 3rd bloke who is holding up the Jewish grocery shop is the one who killed the police woman yesterday and is the only other person being hunted along with the 2 brothers holed up at the printing industrial unit. He is an 'associate' of the 2 brothers.

The 18 year old handed himself in as his name was being banded about on social media as being part of the attack and so handing himself in doesn't add up when these 3 are prepared to die for their cause.
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Old Jan 9, 2015 | 03:47 PM
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They are condemning the acts though.
Are they? As much as the west are?. The news report I saw last showed vigils being held around the world, and French Muslims going about their daily business (Unless silly me this was made to inspire hate) Apart from Maz, is there another Muslim on this thread condemning these acts?.

As for freedom of speech, well Shaid lives in England and says he hates the St. Georges Cross. So he can't have the same opinion on freedom of speech as this apparent 68% of Muslims that were surveyed. I can't imagine any of scoobynets Muslim members would get so upset about someone else's opinion, otherwise they'd probably ask for their account to be banned and leave .
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
The 3rd bloke who is holding up the Jewish grocery shop is the one who killed the police woman yesterday and is the only other person being hunted along with the 2 brothers holed up at the printing industrial unit. He is an 'associate' of the 2 brothers.

The 18 year old handed himself in as his name was being banded about on social media as being part of the attack and so handing himself in doesn't add up when these 3 are prepared to die for their cause.

Yes, thanks for catching up
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Originally Posted by Maz
Interesting point and as you saw on QT last night Vince Cable touched on this. Freedom of speech is only freedom within the context of the law. By that token is it true freedom? The law forbids speech, depiction and literature intended to incite hatred, violence and terrorism. Therefore the whole notion of freedom of speech is within set limits and responsibilities.
EXACTLY RIGHT!!! There is no such thing as absolute free speech.

BUT

The function of the law of a land is to preserve a society composed of a diverse range of belief systems NOT to legislate for making the views of one belief system sacrosanct above all others.

Effectively this means that NO religion is beyond criticism/satire (free speech) but equally No critique/satire is beyond being held to account by the law (constraints on free speech imposed by the laws pertaining to incitement etc)

The problem here is that these individuals think their belief system takes precedence over the law of the land i.e. that their religion supersedes the law and seek to impose and enforce their belief system on others via heinous criminal acts. That is the key characteristic of all extremism really.

Condolences to those touched by this senseless killing!
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Are they? As much as the west are?. The news report I saw last showed vigils being held around the world, and French Muslims going about their daily business (Unless silly me this was made to inspire hate) Apart from Maz, is there another Muslim on this thread condemning these acts?.

As for freedom of speech, well Shaid lives in England and says he hates the St. Georges Cross. So he can't have the same opinion on freedom of speech as this apparent 68% of Muslims that were surveyed. I can't imagine any of scoobynets Muslim members would get so upset about someone else's opinion, otherwise they'd probably ask for their account to be banned and leave .
Give me the names of the Muslim organisations who've not condemned the attacks who you think ought to.
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