At this moment in time I'm not sure of anything.
What ever the motives and truths it's a sad day for the families of the loved ones who won't be coming home today.

 

Do you think the odds are that it was well trained Islamists 'defending' Mohammad?

 

Perhaps they escaped on flight MH370

 

Thank goodness your opinion is worth Jack **** then

 

Anyone practicing religion or using it as an excuse to kill should be treated like anyone else with a mental illness.

 

The media will 100% tell you it was well trained Islamic fanatics defending Mohammed and their beliefs.
Being a skeptic of all things anyway, I personally don't believe well trained Islamists managed to obtain a rocket launcher and sub machine guns, manage to orchestrate a mass killing spree in the middle of the day in a busy street in Paris and get away unscathed.
They had to catch them yelling Allah Akbar Allah Akbar too, it's all too easy for my liking!

 

I can't even be arsed explaining why that is stupid.

 

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-an...ight-white-men

 

So who was behind it then?

 

Fixed that for you.

 

The whole reason these terrorist attacks occur is to divide people of different religions turning it into a war,don't let the terrorists win ......

 

Pretty sure they only had assault rifles?

 

Only???? That hardly makes it better.

 

No but an assault rifle isn't a rocket launcher or sub machine gun. It's an assault rifle.

 

What are your qualifications for making that statement, do you know the usual traffic density/patterns of that part of Paris - on a Wednesday morning in January

Have you live in this area of Paris?

 

An observation.... how strange that in times like these the world forgets that Muslims have lost a lot more to these terrorists than anyone else.

We are being constantly fed news about the big bad Muslim guy who is doing some killing here and there. Obviously, totally forgetting about the amount of people weekly drone attacks kill (and no doubt 'radical****inised' - but thats another story). I mean come on, west kills millions in Iraq and then the media bitch about someone who decided on a bit of tit for tat. Jeez, use a brain people but anyhow that's another subject.

Anyway, most sensible people will acknowledge there is a hate campaign throughout the media towards Muslims.

Now people who soak it all up and say nasty things to Muslims are called out as racists, Islamophobes, etc, etc. The people who soak up all this hatred through the press who join groups like edl, bf, bnp, ukip, etc are mocked and ridiculed throughout the same press who spread the poison.

On the other end of the spectrum you have the Saudi Wahabism/Salafist sect who 'radical****inise' youth to go against the west. When they do the media call them out as 'terrorists/extremists'.

Our government is at war with these baddies. It would have no qualms in sending our young soldiers to fight them in foreign lands.

Now our government (along with the US) are pretty much in bed with Saudi Arabia who fund the baddies to attack us.

Can anyone else see some mind ****ery going on here?

- Saudis are poisoning certain Muslims to hate the west.
- The media are poisoning the west to hate Muslims.

Certain Saudis have a lot of influence in said media.
The western governments should technically hate the Saudis but the reality is that they are literally in bed with each other.

Anyway so lets see in each group of people westeners vs muslims who is the one thats going to be radicalised and start kicking off. Well it isn't going to be the the middle class or the well off. Money talks remember. As long as the money is flowing religion or nationalism is secondary. It will always be the poor, working class who end up kicking off/getting upto no good.

I feel as though there is a conflict between the west vs muslims being engineered. Seeds are being planted into the minds of the youth to hate one another however they must not act upon them, to do so means you are bad/racist/extremist/etc. More and more pressure is being put into the minds of the people, more hatred towards one another but they cannot act upon it.

People already think that one day it will all kick off. I think the same. But then what? Who do you think will do the kicking off? It will be the poor/working class on both sides. What will the result be? Well, it won't get rid of Muslims thats for sure, neither will it get rid of the west either. So what is to be gained from this all?

When you scratch below the surface, take away a persons nationality and religion then you realise we are pretty much the same, we all want the same for our family and we all want the same for our future. So what is stopping us? What is holding us back? Is it really war we all want? Do we really? I know some morons go on about attacking x and war z however if war meant war and the enemy had the capability to turn Britain into what the west done to Iraq then i'm sure all you warmongers out there will be thinking very different.

It is obvious our governments are not working in our interests. It is clear that Muslim governments are not working with the interests of their people either.

 

Given I've only ever really lost my temper on a few occasions, neither of which resulted in permanent damage to someone else or, in fact, death.....I cannot begin to understand what drives people to do this sort of thing. I hope that I never have to find out. It's a terrible shame. I live my life knowing to expect to get as good as I give in terms of humour/banter/comedy/whatever you want to call it. If I thought for one minute that something I'd say in jest would result in my death I'd top myself now rather than self-censor myself through fear.

I don't know how much of this event is born out of cultural differences and mis understanding. I'd like to be able to understand it to simply make an informed choice as to whether they actually have a point/justification or if they are just monsters. Who is next? Matt Stone and Trey Parker? Seth Macfarlane? I'm pretty sure, being a "Westerner", that none of these people mean anything more than a bit of banter amongst folks who appreciate their humour. They don't get up to simply stick it to a religion because of an inner hatred.

I had to have a word with myself the other night. I recently sold an EP3 Civic Type R to a guy up in Birmingham. He arranged for it to be collected on his behalf. Chap arrives, tries to barter a bit further (the norm from the Asian community and I'm used to it so all good), I give him a token £10 off to show willing. Documents signed, car loaded small talk suddenly turns to Religion. So, I explain that I'm not affiliated with any one particular set of beliefs but I'm interested in all. My main beef is people using Religion to bash another yada yada yada. Out of nowhere I find myself utterly enchanted by this guy. He came across very open-minded but it was clear to me he had a view. I found myself aware of my surroundings, the time of night and the oddity of this chit chat in 21st Century Cirencester and tried to wrap things up. Before I know it, I'm given a book......The Qu' Ran. We made parting pleasantries and off he went. Now I got home, explained what happened to the missus. She asked me what I thought and said that every fibre in my being felt at odds with the scenario, maybe I should red flag it. You know to cover my backside. It was at that point I thought HAVE A WORD WITH YOURSELF. If he was a Jehovah's witness I'd have taken his leaflet/book, been polite, read it then bin it. So that's exactly what I'm doing with this book. The fact he drives around with 5 spares in his glove box is no less weird than me storing 20 years of invalid and useless tax discs in mine! It's just a book. I'll read it, forget 99% of it because ADHD decrees that no pictures equals no memory of it and that'll be that.

I don't want to be part of a problem, so if education means more tolerance....well it's a start. It's not like he had a gun to my head!

 

@tony not so wonderful, the gunmen were there at the scene for over 10 minutes. Any major city like Paris has rapid reaction teams police and army units in the event of terrorist attacks. I was in Paris in the summer and the place was crawling with police and some Army patrols and that's the overt ones so your the one that's Stupid, dip ****!

 

Still,it wasn't on a thoroughfare and they had , 2, guys on the door. ( probably not carrying uzis).

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-linked...s.html#OdCIg7i



He got quite a long way, that's nearly Belgium. I went through Charleville few years ago

 

I don't think it's even sure this guy was involved. So far all we know is he handed himself in because his name was circulating in the media (and he was probably scared of being shot by the cops or turned on by vigilantes).

 

Yep, but only because 99% of the time it's Sunni killing Shi'ite and vice-versa, or Sunni killing Suffi, etc, etc, with zero involvement from the West or its media.

 

Another shooting reported in France this morning.

 

Sure I get you - like in the movies

 

We certainly have them here in Belfast.

 

Yawn..... Did this happen on such a scale before he iraq invasion? Nope....

Need I say more....

Anyway... Moving on

I've heard the copper that got shot was a muslim, don't know if it's true or not.

 

and that's fine - if you are seriously comparing Paris to Belfast

I am sure questions will be asked about the security response - speed/effectiveness etc

that's simply what happens after something like this - with all the 20/20 vision, hindsight can muster

but to go from "no SWAT team on the scene within 5 mins" - to evidence of a vast conspiracy/false flag is laughable

the simple truth is that we all lurch from one fvckup to the next - that's life

 

Shaid, please stop trying to say that the illegal invasion of Iraq has made things worse. You know what a great success it was and what a wonderful place Iraq is now and how it didn't play into the hands of any Islamic extremists. People like markjmd get rightfully upset if you make these silly accusations as they are of course utterly baseless as the West killing people is always in the name of the common good whereas anyone else doing it is a terrorist!

 

I'm just saying that if we have them then surely France/Paris do too. However theres no way they could respond fast enough to stop this attack.

I've just been watching a few YouTube videos on how people think this is a staged event!! Seriously???!!

 

But we have seen it in this thread, someone, who from the grainy video footage shot from a handheld camera with a shaky hand some distance away

Can detect what he thinks is inconsistencies with a bullets ricochet

Not only is he a Paris traffic expert but a ballistics one too