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Old Nov 27, 2014 | 10:23 PM
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My thinking with re using te gaskets I'm currently running was that if it's ok to re use a decomp plate, split a new MLS head gasket and put the plates either side with some hylomar then re using basically sound looking gaskets with a bit of hylomar would be fine, and they have been with 7000 miles 1.5 bar and 300+hp. No coolant use or pressurising coolants system at all.
I think the new MLS gaskets I have bought will be fine for what I'm doing, providing the block and heads are flat and clean and that I don't cook the engine (this aneals the bolts and you loose all clamping effort)
Still brain storming head stud ideas
Yeah, I spent a good 4 hours cleaning my heads up with razor blades, Acetone, brake cleaner etc etc. They were as flat as you can get when they came off of my 74k original short block too.

Will be interested to see what you come up with head stud wise, I'm on OEM head bolts, but i'm not planning to run 500+ brake so didn't really need them.
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Old Nov 28, 2014 | 06:18 AM
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I too may just run the original head bolts. Peak torque and boost will not be much higher than I'm running just now.
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 08:50 AM
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I just noticed it says C*NT on your turbo box lol
Cheers for the pics I will measure and compare mine today.
Aye the parcels have to go through a fair process at work to get to me!
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 08:52 AM
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So the std 16g is a 33mm penny with a 25mm WG port. I will go check mine now
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 09:10 AM
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Appears to be about 20mm! No probs, I will remove it and get busy porting.
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 09:19 AM
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Good work, I would also check the actuator and see what pressure it opens at as I've heard they can be as low as 0.25 bar.
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 09:35 AM
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Good work, I would also check the actuator and see what pressure it opens at as I've heard they can be as low as 0.25 bar.
I think it's about a bar, no way is it as low as that, can't pull it by hand very easily!
Just popped the ex housing off, the machining and casting quality is actually quite good, the problem with the WG port is that it's a cast hole, not finish machined at all, still it's not going to take long to bore it out and finish it off. Not in the middle either, but I'll work round that.


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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 11:58 AM
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That is a fair way off centre
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 01:22 PM
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That is a fair way off centre
Yes and no, it's in the middle of the spot face, the wastegate flap is off, but probably in the right place if you get me
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Im enjoying reading this thread .How much was the new turbo again,the quality does look good
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 10:34 PM
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Im enjoying reading this thread .How much was the new turbo again,the quality does look good
£166 delivered with one years' warranty.
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Old Dec 1, 2014 | 05:15 PM
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Ok, so I'm not worrying about te turbo too much just now as the ter shafts cant take the power I have just now!
Snapped one of my machined shafts on the weekend.
Hmmm.

Time to manufacture some billet shafts from steel
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Old Dec 1, 2014 | 05:32 PM
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Start with some 1 1/2" 4140 billets

Turn one side


Then the other

There you go, just need to pop some grooves in them, then spline both ends.
Unsure as yet of any heat treatment required? Perhaps someone in here knows?
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Awesome work! Wouldn't heat treatment make the metal harder and more brittle?

I've seen people heating steel and dunking it in used engine oil to add carbon to the steel and making it stronger.

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Interesting thread:

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=90541
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Old Dec 1, 2014 | 06:46 PM
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Awesome work! Wouldn't heat treatment make the metal harder and more brittle?

I've seen people heating steel and dunking it in used engine oil to add carbon to the steel and making it stronger.
I would send it away to be properly heat treated, whatever the process would be, case hardened?
Although 4140 is already tempered (strength) and through hardened to 18-22 rc.
I'm no metallurgist so don't really know what's required. All I do know is oem shafts are made of cheaper steel and only case hardened, Hence my failure here
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Perhaps you'd be ok they way they are then. It seems you have easy access to the materials and you're doing all the work yourself, if that was me I'd make them up and try them as is. No point in the added expenditure if they'll do the job as they are.
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Old Dec 1, 2014 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by piehole1983
Perhaps you'd be ok they way they are then. It seems you have easy access to the materials and you're doing all the work yourself, if that was me I'd make them up and try them as is. No point in the added expenditure if they'll do the job as they are.
My thoughts exactly sandy
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Have you thought of having the finished item micro peened in the spline area, & cryo tempering, use to work on McLaren gearbox output shafts a few years ago.
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Hardness is really for wear, on the splines if there's movement for example.
I'm not interested in that, strength is what I'm after! Keeping some flexibility may help the shaft survive too
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Old Dec 1, 2014 | 07:24 PM
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Have you thought of having the finished item micro peened in the spline area, & cryo tempering, use to work on McLaren gearbox output shafts a few years ago.
Thought about shot peening as that is readily available to me. Cyro tempering sounds dear!
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Originally Posted by boosted
My thoughts exactly sandy
Get 'er done!
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Thought about shot peening as that is readily available to me. Cyro tempering sounds dear!


Cryo is not that expensive, I have cranks done for the EG33 builds, blocks & rods, have a look http://www.frozensolid.co.uk/index.p...k45au1q15elf47
I reckon 4 shafts about £120.00
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Old Dec 1, 2014 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MOTORS S GT
Cryo is not that expensive, I have cranks done for the EG33 builds, blocks & rods, have a look http://www.frozensolid.co.uk/index.p...k45au1q15elf47
I reckon 4 shafts about £120.00
Cool, my only concern is that I can get shafts made for £180 each. That's the route I will go before spending more money, otherwise I could be treating shafts just to break them, then having to buy shafts anyway.
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Cracking work as usual!
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Cracking work as usual!
Cheers man.
Started to the splining, will have both shafts finished tommorow.
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Shafts are finished. Just need to paint them and build them up now.


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Very nice
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quality work
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Cheers guys, I hope the work as good as they look!
Built them up and fitted them tonight. I'll leave it a few days before I try any launches!
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