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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 06:05 PM
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the thing that annoys me is this has nothing to do with apple whatsoever so why is it being posted???
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 06:20 PM
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 06:49 PM
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The BBC have like lost all credibility with me now, they are nothing more than the Governments media puppet.
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Did you not watch and/or listen to the BBC News?
In all fairness to you I happened to catch the news on Radio 1 as I was driving home from work and they mentioned the Ł5 billion overall contribution by EU immigrants, then much to my amazement followed on to mention that non-EU immigrants had cost the UK Ł120 billion over the same period. (Probably only in resposne to claims of one-sided reporting throughout the day though, but still good to hear some balance from them)

Would've been nice to see that mentioned in the headline article on the website.

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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
In all fairness to you I happened to catch the news on Radio 1 as I was driving home from work and they mentioned the Ł5 billion overall contribution by EU immigrants, then much to my amazement followed on to mention that non-EU immigrants had cost the UK Ł120 billion over the same period. (Probably only in resposne to claims of one-sided reporting throughout the day though, but still good to hear some balance from them)

Would've been nice to see that mentioned in the headline article on the website.
I heard the same balanced reporting on Radio 2 at 8.30 this morning.
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 07:39 PM
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Why you all shocked and bickering? Country's a **** hole and no longer british
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
In all fairness to you I happened to catch the news on Radio 1 as I was driving home from work and they mentioned the Ł5 billion overall contribution by EU immigrants, then much to my amazement followed on to mention that non-EU immigrants had cost the UK Ł120 billion over the same period. (Probably only in resposne to claims of one-sided reporting throughout the day though, but still good to hear some balance from them)

Would've been nice to see that mentioned in the headline article on the website.
I had the misfortune of having to hit the road at 5:30 this morning. From the very first moment Radio 4 were reporting the full story. So it is nonsense to suggest that they made biased reports on this and then changed tack.
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 08:01 PM
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I noticed that what they SEEM to be saying is that EU immigrants paid more in taxes than they claim in benefits?
1. There should be none here claiming benefits...they are supposed to be here to WORK.
2. They have neatly forgotten the costs of education, the health service etc etc.
3. No mention has been made of the British kids now on benefits BECAUSE Johnny EU is doing the jobs they did.

Thus the net cost is far higher than they are saying...and that's before no EC migrants, economic migrants, illegal asylum seekers and other illegals.

Get the fekkin lot of 'em gone, say I......
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
I noticed that what they SEEM to be saying is that EU immigrants paid more in taxes than they claim in benefits?
1. There should be none here claiming benefits...they are supposed to be here to WORK.
2. They have neatly forgotten the costs of education, the health service etc etc.
3. No mention has been made of the British kids now on benefits BECAUSE Johnny EU is doing the jobs they did.

Thus the net cost is far higher than they are saying...and that's before no EC migrants, economic migrants, illegal asylum seekers and other illegals.

Get the fekkin lot of 'em gone, say I......
All of the things you mention were included in the study.

'Get them all gone' is a recipe for an economic catastrophy

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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
The alternative being commercial TV, which is beholden to corporations and they're anything but apolitical.
And I have the choice not to pay them anything. I don't have that choice with the BBC, its watch live TV, pay the BBC or go to prison. Also the corporations have a house slant, just like the newspapers. Thats fine, they are not pretending to be impartial which is a pretence the BBC tries. Again I can choose to watch them or not and they compete for my attention with hopefully high quality programming.

BBC programs these days are filled with propaganda though. The BBC lies by omission, painting half a picture in order to support a BBC narrative. Nature programs filled with AGW rubbish, news programs reporting lack of school places, whatever and wherever, its all biased rubbish and doesn't deserve taxpayer subsidy. If they want to spout that crap whilst supporting themselves, thats fine, I can happily switch over. The trouble is, they have such a dominance over news they are actively influencing the population with their biased reporting, a position they are exploiting to the full
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
And I have the choice not to pay them anything. I don't have that choice with the BBC, its watch live TV, pay the BBC or go to prison. Also the corporations have a house slant, just like the newspapers. Thats fine, they are not pretending to be impartial which is a pretence the BBC tries. Again I can choose to watch them or not and they compete for my attention with hopefully high quality programming.

BBC programs these days are filled with propaganda though. The BBC lies by omission, painting half a picture in order to support a BBC narrative. Nature programs filled with AGW rubbish, news programs reporting lack of school places, whatever and wherever, its all biased rubbish and doesn't deserve taxpayer subsidy. If they want to spout that crap whilst supporting themselves, thats fine, I can happily switch over. The trouble is, they have such a dominance over news they are actively influencing the population with their biased reporting, a position they are exploiting to the full
Is there a broadcasting corporation on the planet with which you have no beef?
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 08:25 PM
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Bloody foreigners ...........
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Is there a broadcasting corporation on the planet with which you have no beef?
Fox News
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 08:30 PM
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Fox News
Beat me to it!
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 08:32 PM
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 08:34 PM
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BBC is quite biased, but with the BBC you do have chance to complain! , try that with ZBC ( for instance )

You'd have to be insensible to stick solely with bbc, wouldn't you?

Try aljeezera eg
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
All of the things you mention were included in the study.

'Get them all gone' is a recipe for an economic catastrophy
No, not all of them were. Point 1 wasn't addressed by the study at all, since the question of whether or not it's right that immigrants should be allowed to claim benefits has no bearing on the actual cost of those benefits (if any) being paid. Likewise, point 3 wasn't addressed either, and for obvious reasons - it's impossible to hypothesize in terms of actual ŁŁŁs how differently the economy might or might not have performed if those immigrants hadn't come here, hence the study didn't concern itself with that at all.

That just leaves point 2, which was fully covered.
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by markjmd
No, not all of them were. Point 1 wasn't addressed by the study at all, since the question of whether or not it's right that immigrants should be allowed to claim benefits has no bearing on the actual cost of those benefits (if any) being paid. Likewise, point 3 wasn't addressed either, and for obvious reasons - it's impossible to hypothesize in terms of actual ŁŁŁs how differently the economy might or might not have performed if those immigrants hadn't come here, hence the study didn't concern itself with that at all.

That just leaves point 2, which was fully covered.
I think 'benefit' and 'benefits' are being deliberately confused here.

The professor who ran the study explained the research this morning.

The economy would be significantly smaller if they had not come here, that isn't even a matter of conjecture
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
The BBC have like lost all credibility with me now, they are nothing more than the Governments media puppet.
This ^^^^^
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I think 'benefit' and 'benefits' are being deliberately confused here.

The professor who ran the study explained the research this morning.

The economy would be significantly smaller if they had not come here, that isn't even a matter of conjecture
Seriously, is it that hard to understand why it's impossible to say that for certain?
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 09:00 PM
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Seriously, is it that hard to understand why it's impossible to say that for certain?
Well I know that in my sector that would certainly be the case.

And given the increased level of economic activity an increased population brings, it's not impossible, it's just common sense.
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Well I know that in my sector that would certainly be the case.

And given the increased level of economic activity an increased population brings, it's not impossible, it's just common sense.
If you're just talking about overall size, then fair enough. The question everyone will be asking though is whether per capita we're all better off, which is far less obvious.
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Old Nov 6, 2014 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
All of the things you mention were included in the study.

'Get them all gone' is a recipe for an economic catastrophy
Quite apart from it being "catastrophe", please explain?

If we sent every one back that has come since 2002, or whenever the borders were destroyed by Lying Labour, and then allowed them back on the same terms countries like France, Germany, Holland etc used, where's the catastrophe?

And there would be more jobs for our young, who would then not have to have benefits and be labelled as lazy, plus unscrupulous people like the guy who used to employ my son, he would have to go back and do the right thing, NOT just pocket his extra money.
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Old Nov 6, 2014 | 11:29 AM
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I blame all the foreigners too - bloody Romans, angles, Saxons, Huguenots, Normans, Vikings, etc, etc - coming over here and taking our jobs/women/ land.... Fair makes makes my blood boil.

Whatever happened to the good old pure Brits
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Old Nov 6, 2014 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Boy
I blame all the foreigners too - bloody Romans, angles, Saxons, Huguenots, Normans, Vikings, etc, etc - coming over here and taking our jobs/women/ land.... Fair makes makes my blood boil.

Whatever happened to the good old pure Brits
Reminds me of this sketch.

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Old Nov 27, 2014 | 02:51 PM
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Quite surprised to see this article on the BBC website today about the fruits of multiculturalism - sort of article you'd expect to see the BBC exclude any images and have no mention of names or nationality..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30078503
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Old Nov 27, 2014 | 03:02 PM
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This article isn't about the 'fruits of multiculturalism' though is it? It's about bad people doing bad things. Oh wait, I get it, you think they did evil things because they're Somalis. So Jimmy Savil did what he did because that's what people from Leeds all do.....
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Old Nov 28, 2014 | 01:17 PM
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errrmmm
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