f1_fan

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Why? What should I be doing? I am here to work!

Anyway I am off to work now, catch you all another time

daveyj

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Banging night out though

zip106

He might be a witch doctor - you might wake up one day with shrunken *****

f1_fan

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Just back from 6 days in Dublin. fantastic city with great people, nothing like London thankfully (the city or the people that live there).

Glasgow tomorrow

RA Dunk

http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...h-east-england

Can't say I'm very surprised at this TBH.

f1_fan

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Me neither!

Luan Pra bang

London can be annoying but Machester is a total c¥nt factory, I have never met a manc who wasn't a total ****. Scousers might talk funny but they seem to have all the charm and charisma that the mancs are missing. I would rather live in a Venezuelan slum than Manchester.

urban

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Seems that Manchester has a large number of old men chasing after school girls too.
As for scousers, they're just an angry race of folk from my own experience.

f1_fan

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On a serious note I think the paedophile problem is probably UK wide. There is something about the UK society that obviously breeds a culture in which paedophiles feel able to operate without much hinderance either physically (from the various authorities) or psychologically.

Cameron's only nod to there being an issue was his stupid Internet adult content opt in nonsense and even that was more about snooping on the population than 'protecting the children'.

f1_fan

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Should all English cities be like Manchester?

ALi-B

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Yeah, I'm fine with that....so long as I can shoot Terry Christian first.


Anyhoo, whilst I see the attraction of devolved governments and micro-management independent of Westminster. I can't help but think all this will do is create more pigs at already over-subscribed trough. I want less of Westminster and more reformation of it....not a load of corrupt mini-westminsters popping up everywhere that only serve the politicians and Councillors (and Mayors) that run it.

davyboy

I've been to a fair number of world cities in the last few months, and I visited London at the weekend to watch a show and do some tourist stuff and had a great time.

Lots of happy people from all over the world safely enjoying the famous landmarks of the city.

joz8968

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...Whilst inhaling that lovely, aromatic, stale urine reek; so 'iconic' of The Smoke.

Turbohot

I'd love to go to London as a tourist now. I usually go there with work, but it will be good to go in a double decker tourist bus and sit next to a Japanese; just to test that if he/she smiles back to me. They never used to, because they were too busy with their cameras.

Mind you, even if I get to sit next to a Londoner stranger, there's no guarantee I'm going to get a friendly smile. The chances are 1 in 500, if I'm not being too lenient. In North Wales, the chances are 500 in 1, if I am being miser.

DYK

Hate it with a passion,had to work their last two weekends Excel.
So when was asked do it again this week Friday
OH no not again,Forget it

lozgti1

I love London! Went there for my two day hooneymoon....probably why I'm getting divorced!

Amazing place.just for weekends though.definitely not to live

Chip

Unless your up with the Gogs, then if your from South Wales they tend to totally ignore you.

Turbohot

I don't believe that. It will be never as bad for a South Walian in North Wales as it would be; in London. South Walian or a North Walian, it doesn't matter. Anywhere in England you're a Welshie, simples.

I don't think South Walians get no smiles in North Wales, and just get ignored. In order to get smile, you haver to omit a radiant smile. Try it next time, it may work. Not sure if it will, in London, though.

Chip

Ok, maybe not as bad as I said but in Caernarvon where we spent months working some of the pubs didn't take to us very well as we were Welsh but didn't speak the lingo. It was the same in Aberporth, locals didn't take to us very well though we did tend to use pubs where the locals went rather than touristy places. Probably don't like the North/South divivde. And yes we can smile as much as anyone, in fact we were probably laughing at the gogs anyway.

Turbohot

Nice.

Interesting to learn of your experience, Chip. Perhaps they thought that you didn't value your Welsh language enough to learn it and speak it.

I was often and still get told from the North Wales non-Welsh speakers and the English ones that Welsh lingo speakers are rude because they start talking in Welsh to each other/one another as soon as they see a foreigner approaching or even a non-lingo Welsh around.

On contrary, I felt that they speak in Welsh because they want to, and they like to. I am actually very proud of their pride and their attention to the heritage value of their language, and I wish I could speak it as well as they do. I don't think Welsh people start criticising anyone in their own language (may be they do, and good that I don't understand it), and I don't think it's rude for them to start their chitter-chatter in Welsh, as long as they don't alienate me completely. As long as they can speak a bit of English for me to understand them and for them to understand me, that's good enough for me. Fortunately, all Welsh people I know speak English.

Some Welsh speaking Welsh tell me that they couldn't speak a word of English until their high school time. They also tell me how discriminated and put down they felt in English places like London etc. because of their accent and their place of origin etc.

joz8968

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My (Notts.) work colleague experienced first hand a Welsh couple switch from conversing in English, to Welsh, immediately upon hearing him speak.

Go figure...


He 'hates' the taffs.

Turbohot

Hate is a strong word, and if that's the way he felt, then he must have been very hurt.

Not necessarily they were criticising him, you know. There's no way of him knowing that if he didn't understand the language, but saying that, more is conveyed via non-verbal ways than the words themselves. So, perhaps they were showing their contempt towards him through their gestures? Anyway, ignorance can be a bliss, sometimes.

Back to the Welsh talking, if the couple started to chat with each other in Welsh as soon as they saw your friend, they must be feeling quite threatened by him, and therefore, they went right back to their Welsh roots. But that, in return, caused your English speaking friend a reverse threat, and he started to get all uncomfortable with that. Perhaps as soon as they started talking in Welsh even occasionally, he automatically entered a super alert mode.

joz8968

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Nah, they were being blatantly arrogant i.e. 'anti'-English.

My colleague is no fool - he immediately sussed the situation for what it was. It was that obvious.

Turbohot

I'm not saying that it's not possible. It's very much possible, but not all Welsh people will start rambling in Welsh because they don't like you, that's all. Fact is, even the same language people can make others feel excluded with their corner talks and hostile physical language.

We had Muppets place here on SN where the in-jokes exchange and closed circuit sarcasm were rife among the clickety-clique clip-clappers. Ok, there was no physical language involved, but enough vibes via keyboard were given to inform others that they weren't welcome there. That behaviour was rude, and made new people feel excluded. Clip-clappers thought they were above everyone else, anyway; in-joke or any silly joke situation.

That place is dead now.

Chip

This.

pflowers

Very common, and very annoying as I am a Welshman who can't speak Welsh.

I just leave them to it - the Welshies haven't got much left now Wales are crap at rugby too

Bristol98

Yeah, but any english speaking person can understand some welsh words as there are no specific translations, such as video

Turbohot

TBH I'm very sorry to know that some some no-Welsh speaking English as well as some non-Welsh speaking Welsh have experienced such a rudeness and hostility from the Welsh speaker Welsh. I also feel bad for the Welsh that feel discriminated by the English in a place like London etc.

I hope we all can live together in a more loving society one day.

pflowers

Agreed, it is very sad and narrow minded.

I think it's very one sided though, I have met many, many Welsh people who genuinely detest the English yet have never been further east than Port Talbot. (They still support Man U though lol) however I have never witnessed any animosity the other way round.

I'm stuck in the middle as a Welshman who the Welsh think is English and the English think is Welsh!

Turbohot

pflowers, history aside, I've heard many contemporary stories from the Welsh people where they say that they were at the receiving end of the abuse from the English.

We have Chester about 14-16 miles away from us. Welsh people like to go there, but it is usual for the Welsh lads to come back home bruised and pasted. They say that a lot of fights in Chester night-out are simply due to the English lads acting all superior and full of contempt on the Welsh lads; just because they are Welsh outsiders.

In last few years, we have Wrexham that has developed well in terms of night life. Welsh report that they feel less threatened now at a night out on Wrexham than in Chester.