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Old Nov 25, 2014 | 02:57 AM
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Not disputing his prowess but as with most stats you can make them look however you want (by leaving out the Mercedes years for example). Did he ever have a decent team mate? All the big guns of the previous era retired or died so the grid was less decorated. He certainly never sat next to another world champion like Lewis has with Alonso and JB and this year on a grid with 4 other former world champions. He also dictated teams a bit like Alonso really - who likewise has never had an especially strong team mate with equal rights and when he did at McLaren it showed.
Great post. Hamilton has proved himself on many occasions but fighting Alonso as a teammate was one of his best examples.
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Old Nov 25, 2014 | 07:05 AM
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Well I'm really pleased LH got the championship, as it should be the driver that won the most races took the title.

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Old Nov 25, 2014 | 08:24 AM
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Good for him
Got to admit iv probably watched less than half hour total all year F1
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Old Nov 25, 2014 | 09:16 AM
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Not sure which one of Hamiltons cars it is, ie one he's raced or a test car but there's one down at Salford Quays at the moment.
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Old Nov 25, 2014 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Carnut
Not sure which one of Hamiltons cars it is, ie one he's raced or a test car but there's one down at Salford Quays at the moment.
Probably just a show car. Never seen a race track in its life.
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Old Dec 11, 2014 | 10:03 PM
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Thank god they've made the right decision http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/30430564
With having one of the best drivers in Alonso it makes sense to have someone as consistent as Button in the other seat, not only is he consistent but is also one of the best ambassadors in the sport.
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Carnut
Thank god they've made the right decision http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/30430564
With having one of the best drivers in Alonso it makes sense to have someone as consistent as Button in the other seat, not only is he consistent but is also one of the best ambassadors in the sport.
And when FA throws his toys out of the pram, Ken Magnussen can step back in to the seat.
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 06:38 AM
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Buttons had his day, I would of had Magnussen and Alonso. Magnussen would learn alot from Alonso as a team mate.
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 07:36 AM
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I disagree. I think Button still has a lot to offer, especially development wise.
They will form an almighty partnership. Just look at how Button did against Hamilton.
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Gear Head
I disagree. I think Button still has a lot to offer, especially development wise.
They will form an almighty partnership. Just look at how Button did against Hamilton.
The difference being that Hamilton didn't need a number 1 driver clause in his contract whereas Alonso does. It won't be a fair comparison sadly!

I also have to say that my intense dislike of Dennis was only fuelled further yesterday as he tried to heap the blame for 2007 on to Hamilton's shoulders!

I guess when you give the fastest driver on the grid a **** car for several seasons and he then goes to a rival team and wins the WC it must really get to you eh?
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 09:59 AM
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I thought Dennis's comments regarding the Alonso/Hamilton feud were out of line.
"Lewis had immaturity," said Dennis, "If you go along the line of who struck the first blow, I would say Lewis had his role to play in starting this process that escalated."
How did he do that then? By showing he couldn't be bullied on track and finishing on the podium right behind Alonso in his first three F1 appearances. Hardly what you call starting a fight.
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 10:26 AM
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Dennis is an **** and always will be.
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 11:46 AM
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Woke up yesterday and the wife was watching the news in bed. Jenson was on it and the news reader was talking about his career so far. I asked the wife if he had retired, she said no he has signed for mclaren again next year. She then said she could have told me that yesterday (Wednesday) as she knows someone who's son works at mtc and had told her jenson was staying.

Doesn't surprise me, jenson out scored Kevin last season and points = pounds.
What does surprise me though, is that apparently it is a multi year deal and not just a year extension.
Looks like Jenson may well crack 300 Grand Prix starts in his career.
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue by You
I thought Dennis's comments regarding the Alonso/Hamilton feud were out of line.
"Lewis had immaturity," said Dennis, "If you go along the line of who struck the first blow, I would say Lewis had his role to play in starting this process that escalated."
How did he do that then? By showing he couldn't be bullied on track and finishing on the podium right behind Alonso in his first three F1 appearances. Hardly what you call starting a fight.
It's just ego massaging for Alonso, nothing more.
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 12:19 PM
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And a kick up the **** for Lewis at the same time?
I don't see it. Dennis may well have whispered sweet nothings in Alonso's ear in private, but he doesn't have to spout this kind of drivel to the media just to make Alonso feel the love.
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue by You
And a kick up the **** for Lewis at the same time?
I don't see it. Dennis may well have whispered sweet nothings in Alonso's ear in private, but he doesn't have to spout this kind of drivel to the media just to make Alonso feel the love.
Dennis is just p1ssed off he can only get the second best driver on the grid in his team these days
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 01:02 PM
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I'm still struggling to get why alonso is so highly rated.
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Dennis is just p1ssed off he can only get the second best driver on the grid in his team these days
But he should take comfort in the fact he has the most expensive
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
I'm still struggling to get why alonso is so highly rated.
Seriously? I mean I am not exactly his biggest fan in terms of his persona, but in the car he is probably the best all round driver on the grid although Hamilton is probably marginally faster! To be in contention for the 2012 championship at the last race was Schumacheresque frankly given the gulf between the Red Bull and the Ferrari!
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 01:22 PM
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have a read,

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ver-of-the-era

also doesnt take into account how difficult he seems to be to work with, while he's the driver F1 is a team sport.
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Seriously? I mean I am not exactly his biggest fan in terms of his persona, but in the car he is probably the best all round driver on the grid although Hamilton is probably marginally faster! To be in contention for the 2012 championship at the last race was Schumacheresque frankly given the gulf between the Red Bull and the Ferrari!
I think anyone that doesn't see Alonso as either the 1st or 2nd best driver in F1 doesn't understand the sport, or follow it closely enough.

He is ALWAYS there, nearly always dominates his team mate and flatters his cars performance. Who else took the fight to Red Bull over the last 4 years? No one!

Yes, he may demand number one status but if I was as good as Alonso, I'd demand the same.
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 01:35 PM
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Hamilton spanked him with the same car though, Hamilton best driver in F1 at the min then?

I don't rate vettel either, all his champs have come when he has had a car streaks ahead of the rest, although that could be argued alot of years. but look how riciardo spanked him and had webber not had so many mechanical failures he would have not been far off him
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 01:48 PM
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In my opinion you cant just say 2ho is the best driver as there are too many variables in the drivers championship to take into account.

Put max chilton in the 2014 mercedes amg and setup for the perfect operating window which suites his style and whatch him win over and over.

Its always, the right car, the perfect setup and the right team that sets the drivers apart, not that certain drivers are better than others
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gazney101
In my opinion you cant just say 2ho is the best driver as there are too many variables in the drivers championship to take into account.

Put max chilton in the 2014 mercedes amg and setup for the perfect operating window which suites his style and whatch him win over and over.

Its always, the right car, the perfect setup and the right team that sets the drivers apart, not that certain drivers are better than others

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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gazney101
Put max chilton in the 2014 mercedes amg and setup for the perfect operating window which suites his style and whatch him win over and over.

Its always, the right car, the perfect setup and the right team that sets the drivers apart, not that certain drivers are better than others
Nonsense.
Who is it in the teams that is largely responsible for setting up the car?
The driver. His feedback is ultimately what determines how the car perform.
Do you really think Chilton is equal (yet) to Hamilton is this respect? The teams don't just hand over the ideal setup to the driver. It's the driver that calls the shots and fine tunes an otherwise base setup.

There's no doubt that a better driver will achieve better results from any given car, but the driver can only drag so much from a poor car, i.e. Alonso v Raikkonen in the 2014 Ferrari was way ahead of Raikkonen most of the time, but still couldn't win a race..

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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue by You
Nonsense.
Who is it in the teams that is largely responsible for setting up the car?
The driver. His feedback is ultimately what determines how the car perform.
Do you really think Chilton is equal (yet) to Hamilton is this respect? The teams don't just hand over the ideal setup to the driver. It's the driver that calls the shots and fine tunes an otherwise base setup.

There's no doubt that a better driver will achieve better results from any given car, but the driver can only drag so much from a poor car, i.e. Alonso v Raikkonen in the 2014 Ferrari was way ahead of Raikkonen most of the time, but still couldn't win a race..
Yes i do agree with you about the driver feed back but remember somebody is interpreting that feedback and engineers make things happen, all of that comes together when you have the best car design in the first place. As proven by ross brawns history in f1

Like i said, if someone like max chilton or any f1 driver was in the Mercedes with the perfect setup for their driving style they would be winning.
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Originally Posted by gazney101
Yes i do agree with you about the driver feed back but remember somebody is interpreting that feedback and engineers make things happen, all of that comes together when you have the best car design in the first place. As proven by ross brawns history in f1

Like i said, if someone like max chilton or any f1 driver was in the Mercedes with the perfect setup for their driving style they would be winning.
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
I'm still struggling to get why alonso is so highly rated.
WoW!!!

No one can get so much out of a shyte car and grind out result after result as Alonso can and that's a fact. He's equal top with Hamilton in my eyes and I'm not even an Alonso fan.
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gazney101

Put max chilton in the 2014 mercedes amg and setup for the perfect operating window which suites his style and whatch him win over and over.


You been on the crack pipe today mate?
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