salsa-king

So a tyre with a rating of A is best then?

Carnut

This makes me ask the question that when going round a corner at speed how much louder do your mates scream with re070s compared to some budget tyres.

Tyre-fitter

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I had a customer in today with a sti & he had 2 partworns fitted & they were budget,,,,when i took his old tyres off they were both runflats which should'nt have been fitted in the first place.
Why do people buy cars that they cannot afford to run properly,,i have customers coming into my place with 60-70k motors & get budget tyres fitted.

Andy.

Steve Whitehorn

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For me what makes for a very quick but safe within reason car in order of importance.

1.Driver
2.Tyres
3.Brakes
4.Suspension
5.Engine - how it delivers its power

My acid test for bull****ters talking about cars...is that I casually throw the question in mid conversation.
´´so what tires are you running´´...perhaps even what pressures
And what ever their answer is registers them in my head as switched on or idiot

dabiscuit

I just bought an 06 hawkeye on tyres from a company I've never heard of. No only does one have a slow puncture (which Ive got money back for) but they are shheeeyyyiittte. Trying to fix 18s to my car on Dunlop Sports

Norman Dog

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I think you pay more for the name half the time, I found Falken FK 452's as good as the Eagle f1's they replaced on my WRX.

Replaced the Toyo T1R's on my current car with Vredstein Sessanta's and they're much, much better.

As for brakes, when I bought my car from the dealer they had fitted really cheap sh!tty motor factors type discs and pads. Replaced the lot, as soon as I could afford it, with Godspeed grooved discs & Kevlar pad setup.
Stops in about half the distance now.

stonejedi

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.SJ.

Tyre-fitter

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The Falkens are one of the best mid range tyres,the 452's have now been replaced with 453's & a few customers of mine that had the 452's before & have now changed to 453's say they are even better.
When i bought my sti it had 4 nearly new conti's on but when i replace i might consider putting 453's on.

Andy.

dabiscuit

Well, I would have thought Falken were a pretty good make. Call me a snob, but if I've not heard of the company I am not likely to buy/want them on my car. And that video just proves it. If you go running (like me) you don't buy crap trainers because you'll get sore feet, knees, back etc.....same rule applies to tyres for me.

Tyre-fitter

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Thats all well & good but if a customer drives into my place & i say sorry but you dont want these budget tyres at £60 you need these Conti's at £140 he will just drive out & i will lose a customer,,,,not everyone can afford top end tyres & their is really good mid range out there.
I always ask the customer what they need their car for,if they say just knocking about time then budgets are fine,if they say the do alot of mileage including motorway miles i recommend mid range upwards.

Andy.

stonejedi

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I understand what your saying on a business side of things,but this is a site for a certain make of Performance car the Subaru so if someone owns a performance car they should know that you can't run them on a shoestring budget,pun intended and the two words should not be used in the same sentence when associated with performance cars of this magnitude .SJ.

Tyre-fitter

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I totally agree SJ,,if your going to fit sh@@@e tyres & brakes to a car you should by a old fiesta ect,,i know alot of people that buy high performance & top end cars just to impress neighbors & friends but then they cannot afford to run them,you would be shocked at some of the cars that come in my tyre shop & get budget tyres fitted,,also i get guys coming in asking for partworn tyres to put on their wifes/partners cars.

Andy.

dabiscuit

Especially since Subaru drivers rely on their cars too get them through harsh winter conditions too

forgedmarco

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Yes a is the best

https://www.national.co.uk/complete-guide-to-tyre-labelling/

WRXrowdy

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I will disagree about the kumhos being borederline, ive had several sets and always found them to be exellent, and struggle to get them to break traction wet or dry, although only on a standard wrx. I believe mercedes fit them as standard although I dont know what model or what market.
Budget tyres on the other hand, my car was fitted with runways when we bought it and they were downright dangerous in the wet

jonnyricer2

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I have stomill remoulds and linglongs one of each opposite sides of my car ooohh keeps me on my toes.

I do prefer the toyo t1r the kumho ecsta and the Falken s

Markfey

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My two pence worth....

I think unless you've had a certain tyre you can't judge.

Back in 2001 on my uk2000 i had avon zz3's fitted..... It totally ruined the car. Complained and moaned for months till one of their reps came to visit me. I took him out nearly lost control doing a simple u-turn in the road. Got my money back and changed them for the RE050 potenza which are still now my favourite tyre i can remember.

Ten years on, i buy, after doing lots of research a set of proxy T1R's. Ohhh how people rave about them... By far one of the worst i have experienced.

They get ditched while buying a new set of wheels wrapped in Maxis. I think, they'll be binned ASAP. However, they were awesome in comparison to the T1r.

The wheels get changed again due to brake upgrade. The next set come wrapped in the OP 's hated ACCELARAs. Again i thought, get rid. They have done a fantastic job again. They will soon be going though as the arches will be done to fit bigger tyres.

Meanwhile the old man has given me the options of what to fit to his car that his local garage has in stock. By far the best in his list were the AD02's. I tell him to get them. After 1000 miles he comes to visit so i took the opportunity to take his pride and joy for a spin.
Cold but dry morning. Some may argue it was a little greasy. The thing nearly killed me coming out of a roundabout at about 25mph.

To summarise.

There are good tyres and bad. Some thrive in the dry and are awful in the wet and vice versa. Some are exceptional in the heat and others work excellently cold.
There are also good and bad drivers.
What do you want your tyres for? 95% road and 5% track? Don't think you're going to need toyo 888's then!

Listen to someone you know that have had xyz and not something someones heard.

The Trooper 1815

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http://www.popularmechanics.com/_mob...unked-10031440

And always put new ones on the front.

Carnut

O.k so what we are saying is that buying a car that has better braking abilities then a normal car and then fitting tyres with less ability is stupid.O.k but that don't make it dangerous the car just compensates for the tyres.If people want the noise of the boxer engine but find it hard to run them its not for us to say they can't have one.Its like saying people can't have 4x4s or vans etc because money spent else where is safer/better.

stonejedi

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All this tyre talk is making me laugh,all I can say is I have and never will run **** tyres on any vehicle that belongs to me.I borrowed my friends Sierra cossie once and he was a total cheap skate always looking for something cheap I.e ling long ditchfinders,I regret now but I never use to check for other peoples tyres he lent me the car and I was grateful anyway to cut a long story short a guy pulled out in front of me in the wet I hit the brakes and marginally missed him but I slid about a good five metres and the rear was all over the place and before anyone saids I was going to fast I was only doing about 30 in a 40 zone.Budget tyres have there place in the world put not on any high performance car.Fit them at your own risk.SJ.

The Trooper 1815

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No. We are saying that it's stupid to run a high performance car with s'ite tyres. All you do is put other road users or pedestrians at risk when acting like a ****.

If they cannot run them, get a job, spend you JSA on food/****/kids and stop signing on.

How the fu'k does a car compensate for poor performance tyres? Cars don't kill people, drivers do.

You a veggie to?

Fonzey

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Delivery is £3 and fitting is £5 a corner at my local. You got bummed mate...

I love buying new tyres, gives the car a whole new lease of life. I took a risk/gamble last time with some Vredsteins and they're excellent, though I use r888s on track so the Vreds don't get much abuse.

May try OEM bridgestones next, though my CTR with 'stones tramlined quite badly.

Carnut

What you on about you make it sound like cheap tyres are made of wood.Someone one running cheap tyres can still be safe.It don't matter what tyres you run if you drive like a d**k.Its like you said cars dont kill people do.I am just saying who are we to tell people that there stupid.Some people think where all **** but don't think that's true.And in case you where interested I like to have good tyres and am not a veggie.I am a dairy farmer that use to work about 80-90 hours a week with no day of for months at a time till I got sick and had to spend a year in hospital.And to answer your question a car can compensate by having good suspension good A.B.S and good weight distribution just to say a few.P.S all sierra cossies are s**t at stopping and if the back comes out its not tyres it bad brake distribution or something.

RRP1STI

I have always used Toyo Proxes in the 13 years I have owned Impreza,s and have been perfectly happy with them-always replaced 4 at a time when required,however on my day to day car,I generally go for a cheaper tyre,not bargain basement but lower end of the scale,I have bought part-worn "premium" tyres in the past and I can honestly say I would prefer a brand new set of budget tyres over a set of part worn "premium" tyres that have either been repaired or come from a crash damaged car somewhere in Albania/Belarus/Kazakhstan or wherever else they come from these days!!...In my experience the brand new,budget/mid-range will cost roughly the same as a part worn premium and last twice as long.....also any tyre is past its best once its down to approx 4mm tread......just my opinion of course!

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Nowt wrong with Toyos but try something more focused like a Yoko AD08R and you would be surprised I have T1R's on my spares

ALi-B

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Part worns are always a bad idea, even premium brands, especially if you don't look at the date stamps.

A number of reasons; The properties of the tyre chnages as it wears. The rubber itself, and the sipes and some of the grooves are only cut half way into the tread.

Also the rubber ages, it hardens and becomes less pliable.

All the above affects grips in cool damp and wet conditions. Where a new mid range tyre could well out perform a 4 year old half worn premium tyre.

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People don't look at date stamps lol I bought a set of wheels with "plenty of wear left" ... date stamped 2003 lol Binned on arrival !

WRXrowdy

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I didnt even realise they were date stamped!

I wouldnt buy part worns, I did once not long after buying my first car. Went over a speed bump that had a cobbled ramp and front left tyre blow out, luckily at about 20mph and 1/4 mile from home . . . never again.

Slightly off topic, but I recently found out the red spot on the tyre wall is aparantly to mark the heaviest point on the tyre, and have just had some new tyres fitted and I looked to see if the fitter had placed the tyres with these marks oposite the valves to lessen the amount of balancing weights, but found they have just been chucked on in any random place.
Just wondered if this is true and if so how many tyre fitters actually take any notice of this.

daviee

Tyres are the same as any component they have there limits. I've had my car 6 and a bit years now came factory fitted with Bridgestone RE050s good while they lasted all of 10k on the fronts feathered on the edges. Next up was some Toyos ran over a winter, hard to tell, then I went 18s with Avon ZZ3s slatted on earlier post good all rounder then Pirelli Zero Nero shocking tyres got a puncture at speed so by the time I stopped tyre was ruined. They were on my winter wheels Prodrive gt1s. My hand was forced as I always change 4 at a time so though I would buy some budget tyres and keep the extra cash for putting good tyres on my Work emotions for the summer. I bought some Altenzo Sports Comforter 225 40 18 came in at £59 a corner fitted. When getting the Altenzo fitted the beed breaker went straight through the side wall of a un punctured Pirelli the tyre fitter was shocked as was I.

Flavour of the month tyre on here is the Verdstein had them on a Fast Escort mk1 years ago a other shocking tyre replaced it with a Toyo 185 70 13, my mates thought then I was mad as no one had heard of them turned out to be a good tyre. Then I fitted some Yokohama AD001 Advans again sort of unheard of at the time best tyre ever even though it had " for sports use only " on the side wall, I have been about a bit used all sorts of tyres in my time. The Altenzos with 2000 miles under their belt I am very impressed with to the point I will buy a other set to fit on the Works once they have been refurbed. As said above unless you have tried don't comment on something you haven't, I remember on my old Capri 30 years ago had Avon Turbospeed 205 60 13 the same tyre was factory spec on the Bentley's and Rolls Royce's at the time now scorned as a budget tyre.

One thing that's not been mentioned what's better a set of 3 year old Conti sports with 2mm on them or a set of 6 month old Kumhos with 7 mm on them ?

To sum up tyres are the same as your brakes suspension and your driving talent exceed their limits and you will find yourself parked in a tree field wall or ditch, and posted above if you fit **** tyres on your car you lose the ability to drive love that.

stonejedi

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You been watching wheeler dealers yep it's always been that way.SJ.