Kwik

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http://www.itv.com/news/2017-01-13/foreign-murderer-jailed-for-life-for-horror-film-hammer-attack-on-police-officers/

Shocking footage of a convicted Murderer using a hammer against my local police force.

dpb

Why didn't they tazer him

JTaylor

They did. His clothes were too thick.

Blue by You

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Don't you think twice should have been enough?
Jail term and deportation for the likes of him.

Kwik

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Reading around it sounds as though he was told he could stay in the UK, pay compensation to the easyJet staff and this is when he started burgling garages. He'll serve a minimum of five years lol.
Langley Green has such a hoffific history. Roy Whiting, Syrian suicide bombers, bomb factory above the shops.

JDM_Stig

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Should have sent Gazza in to sort him out . .

stilover

Step 1) Tazer. Didn't work.
Step 2) Release the dog (instead of running away with it like they did) to tear him a new Ar5ehole
Step 3) As the dog locks jaw, take out Batten and proceed to hit him repeatedly with it
Step 4) Another Officer starts hitting him with his Batten too.
Step 4) Arrest him.
Step 5) Deport the ****** back to his homeland, and pay for the jail sentence there instead.

Or........ As he had a weapon, send in armed responce.
Step 1) As he lunges with hammer, Shoot him.
Step 2) Bury him.

pimmo2000

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Why didn't they let the dog go?

JDM_Stig

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Im guessing the risk assessment said that the danger to the dog was too great,
which is fair, if an officer didnt step in, why put the dog in harms way,

waving a hammer is a known danger, unlike chasing a fleeing person.

pimmo2000

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The dog is trained to attack and subdue an armed attacker.

Steve001

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Cloths too thick? Tazer the f*ckers face

JDM_Stig

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But if he had a gun I would guess the training book would say to protect all, same as a known idiot swinging a sword or hammer, there has to be limits of danger where stupidity has to be rained in, and other steps taken to protect all officers.

alcazar

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Bet he's not deported once his sentence finishes...the left will find SOME human rights being breached, yet again

Kwik

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Or we shouldn't have let him into the country in the first place.

The Dogs B******s

All of this.

On-the-bog

i can see it now, police brutality, he was such a great father, yada yada yada

usual **** of thugs family's claiming their angels

wrx300scooby

Sounds familiar.

Scumbag deserves no mercy.

ditchmyster

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Screaming and running away with the dog, just can't get the staff these days.

markjmd

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Two things:
One, it seems slightly thick that none of the plod had pepper sprays or batons at the ready when they first went in on the guy, rather than all three of them just brandishing tazers. Glad that none of them were seriously hurt though.
Two, how in **** did the guy get away with just a 12 year sentence for slitting a woman's throat in The Netherlands (and only serve half of that)?

Felix.

They did, they chose Tazers. Also, you can't use CS spray with Tazers due to the fire risk etc. In hind sight (which is a wonderful thing) CS would have been the better option.

I'm not sure what information they had before they approached him, but i'm guessing they were aware that he could be armed. Usually being faced with tazers and dogs normally results in the suspect surrendering. As the incident developed, it became impossible to release the dog, the first officer moves in front of the dog at one point, so if the dog is released, there is a good chance the dog will attack the officer - the dog is trained on biting police officers, so its often second nature to it. And once the tazer was deployed, the dog can't get involved in case it gets tangled in the wires; so the dog officer removed the dog entirely from the incident - presumably it was put back in the van in order for her to return and assist on her own.

The screaming and shouting is from the officer with the body-cam, not the dog officer. The microphone is right next to her, hence why she came across so loud. She was shouting 'get back' (as per training) but it was difficult for her to engage once the male officer started hitting him with some good baton strikes.

Personally, this is a good incident to show why i don't use/carry a tazer. So far very few incidents I have been involved with have shown them to be effective. Either the clothing is to thick or one of the barbs misses their target. Batons are often not very effective either - if the offender's Adrenalin & serotonin level is high, he simply won't feel it. And both things tie your hands up. Either CS (then you can drop the canister as its secured to you body armour) or just go hands on usually works for me.

I'm surprised that this was not spun in the media as another example of police brutality - One poor man being tazered 3 times and battened and threatened with a dog.

Uncle Creepy

The thought had crossed my mind. Probably granted diminished responsibility by a clueless, lefty judge and then released early for 'good behaviour', LOL.

Felix.

She was not the one screaming - it was the one with the bodycam, the mic is right next to her.

Also, the dog had to be removed as the incident developed.

Or the other officers withdraw leaving the dog officer and the dog alone - then release the dog. The dog is expendable compared to the lives of the offices and civilians.

ditchmyster

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Dog went in first off, the cop that got in it's way was a bit silly as he should know better (like you seem to) should have stuck with the initial plan of come out or the dog goes in, but as you say 'hind sight has all the answers'

I wasn't saying it was the one with the dog screaming, it just amused me that when faced with a real criminal ( as opposed to a motorist) there was an awful lot of running off and screaming going on.

Sorry but if people are going to go into that job then they need to accept the risks and get stuck in when required or move onto traffic or into an office.

Felix.

The rational (i assume) in the case was to threaten him with the dog first. If that didn't work, move in with tazers. The problem with using the dog is that it will result in injuries - tazers don't (unless it's complicated with a heart problems) but the training model states that a tazer is a non lethal and low injury approach. This has to be considered first. CS also falls into this, which is my preferred option - but can not be used together with tazers

I don't think she 'ran off', she was moving the dog out of the way which would need to go back in the van. Then she would go back in herself. Also difficult for them to 'join in' when the first officer is now engaged and striking the suspect with batons. If you 'move in' there's a good chance you will get in his way.

Kwik

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For me it also brings up the question of what classes as a 'deadly weapon'. It's obvious this fella has killed before, has a weapon that can kill and didn't think twice about using it on officers. It just goes to show how under equipped the police are to deal with vermin like this.
As it's a convicted murderer migrant allowed into the UK the situation has been played down somewhat by the lefty brainwashing media.

pimmo2000

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Would this not have been a case for an armed response? I know had they attended and shot, the media would have reported about his poor 16 kids back home, but at the end of the day (I have no issues with immigration by the way, just not for murderers) the police's lives are worth more.

ditchmyster

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... sorry for the non post but it's the only way to see what's been posted in my absence.

^Qwerty^

Bloke in Humberside waved an axe around late last year and he got shot. Won't be doing it again.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ured-by-police

Tough call for the officers involved in any incident like this

Felix.

Generally, no.

If it was a pre-planned operation, then yes and they would have been there from the start. But this appears to be an incident where the normal response teams have attended and its escalated. Maybe a domestic incident and he's lost his temper and ran out; or he was disturbed burgling and someone has reported a 'suspicious male'

Once it had escalated, they could have asked for ARV and tried to contain him or fully withdraw and wait for ARV to get there (maybe coming from miles away). The problem being is that he may escape and it didn't look as though he was going to be contained either.

Hence the response officers had to deal with it as it developed.

gary77

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The police officers were a shambles . Whats the point in having a dog there and tazers ?when as soon as the tazer is used the dog becones useless.