new pads for AP calipers
28 March 2018, 10:22 AM
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new pads for AP calipers
I’ve been running ds3000 pads for last 6 months although they perform brilliantly cold or hotthe amount of dust they produce is unreal. They are also eatingaway the rotors.
Any recommendations for a less dusty fast road pad suitable for AP 6 pot calipers
Cheers stu
Any recommendations for a less dusty fast road pad suitable for AP 6 pot calipers
Cheers stu
29 March 2018, 10:21 AM
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whilst very good the Z-rated pad doesn't have the friction level of ds3000 albeit it will happily keep on performing at extreme temps.......
something like the PFC '08 or some of the more aggressive race '11 / '13 or an RST3 from Pagid
various options on the shelf here and happy to talk through your requirements
something like the PFC '08 or some of the more aggressive race '11 / '13 or an RST3 from Pagid
various options on the shelf here and happy to talk through your requirements
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29 March 2018, 08:34 PM
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Ds3000 are fantastic brakes, good bite from cold and even better the more heat u put in them. Only downside is massive amounts of dust and eat your discs rapidly
30 March 2018, 08:13 AM
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I might give them a go after my DS2500s run out.
I love the DS range... As you say, they just work straight from cold and are 'repeatable' time after time (despite not having the last word in class-leading friction).
I had, IIRC, PF08s once... And, OMG, there was all but ZERO bite from cold. So much so, I nearly overran a junction the very first time I used them - at slow speed! It was so tiresome waiting for them to actually work! (Let alone enjoying greater stopping power in hard braking). Ridiculous - nay, downright dangerous - compound* (for normal road use, anyways).
That experience has made me very wary (and indeed weary) of so-called ultra high-friction pads. Hence sticking to what I know works - no muss no fuss.
* No doubt they're fabulous on the track - after getting in a warm-up lap, etc...
I love the DS range... As you say, they just work straight from cold and are 'repeatable' time after time (despite not having the last word in class-leading friction).
I had, IIRC, PF08s once... And, OMG, there was all but ZERO bite from cold. So much so, I nearly overran a junction the very first time I used them - at slow speed! It was so tiresome waiting for them to actually work! (Let alone enjoying greater stopping power in hard braking). Ridiculous - nay, downright dangerous - compound* (for normal road use, anyways).
That experience has made me very wary (and indeed weary) of so-called ultra high-friction pads. Hence sticking to what I know works - no muss no fuss.
* No doubt they're fabulous on the track - after getting in a warm-up lap, etc...
Last edited by joz8968; 30 March 2018 at 09:02 AM.
30 March 2018, 11:51 AM
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I might give them a go after my DS2500s run out.
I love the DS range... As you say, they just work straight from cold and are 'repeatable' time after time (despite not having the last word in class-leading friction).
I had, IIRC, PF08s once... And, OMG, there was all but ZERO bite from cold. So much so, I nearly overran a junction the very first time I used them - at slow speed! It was so tiresome waiting for them to actually work! (Let alone enjoying greater stopping power in hard braking). Ridiculous - nay, downright dangerous - compound* (for normal road use, anyways).
That experience has made me very wary (and indeed weary) of so-called ultra high-friction pads. Hence sticking to what I know works - no muss no fuss.
* No doubt they're fabulous on the track - after getting in a warm-up lap, etc...
I love the DS range... As you say, they just work straight from cold and are 'repeatable' time after time (despite not having the last word in class-leading friction).
I had, IIRC, PF08s once... And, OMG, there was all but ZERO bite from cold. So much so, I nearly overran a junction the very first time I used them - at slow speed! It was so tiresome waiting for them to actually work! (Let alone enjoying greater stopping power in hard braking). Ridiculous - nay, downright dangerous - compound* (for normal road use, anyways).
That experience has made me very wary (and indeed weary) of so-called ultra high-friction pads. Hence sticking to what I know works - no muss no fuss.
* No doubt they're fabulous on the track - after getting in a warm-up lap, etc...
...I find that pad choice has variables and comes down to driver and use their is not a one pad that fits all for everyone,its what works for each individual.SJ.
30 March 2018, 02:58 PM
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Sure sure. Brakes - and esp. brake feel/pad compound - is probably the most subjective area for petrolheads!
Do your PF08s work straight from cold?
Actually, thinking about it, I'm now pretty certain they were PF01, instead!
And I understand they are a 'race' pad - hence, presumably, the 'no braking' from cold(?)
So, in that case, I might indeed try the 08s next...... 
Do your PF08s work straight from cold?
Actually, thinking about it, I'm now pretty certain they were PF01, instead!
And I understand they are a 'race' pad - hence, presumably, the 'no braking' from cold(?)So, in that case, I might indeed try the 08s next......
Last edited by joz8968; 30 March 2018 at 08:20 PM.
30 March 2018, 03:31 PM
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Sure sure. Brakes - and esp. brake feel/pad compound - is probably the most subjective area for petrolheads!
Do your PF08s work straight from cold?
Actually, thinking about it, I'm now pretty certain they were PF01, instead! And I understand they are a 'race' pad - hence, presumably, the 'no' braking from cold(?)
So, in that case, I might indeed try the 08s next......
Do your PF08s work straight from cold?
Actually, thinking about it, I'm now pretty certain they were PF01, instead!
And I understand they are a 'race' pad - hence, presumably, the 'no' braking from cold(?)So, in that case, I might indeed try the 08s next......
.SJ.
31 March 2018, 09:47 AM
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dont have exact costs to hand but the issue with that application is most need to be machined as the std pad is D57 and most Subaru applications use a D54 option...........best guess would be around early £200'ish
like most things better to direct any specific queries at the office who will happily assist
like most things better to direct any specific queries at the office who will happily assist
31 March 2018, 09:57 AM
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personally i would NOT recommend ds3000 for road use and even for track / competition use there are better alternatives IMO
Originally Posted by AS Performance
if the '08 didn't work to that degree then they were glazed, poorly bedded or some other issue??
31 March 2018, 11:29 AM
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So, that is strange then. I'm never deliberately heavy on the brakes, when bedding in. Just brake normally light, medium or hard...as the situation on the road dictates. I've never had a problem with DS2500 pads, following this strategy.
Do you reckon it's because I didn't do the 'hard stops bedding-in procedure' was the reason they were totally dead when cold? And I'm not exaggerating, neither. They basically felt as effective as the crap early WRX front floating calipers... But at SLOW speeds! I was genuinely shocked and disappointed at the time.
Do you reckon it's because I didn't do the 'hard stops bedding-in procedure' was the reason they were totally dead when cold? And I'm not exaggerating, neither. They basically felt as effective as the crap early WRX front floating calipers... But at SLOW speeds! I was genuinely shocked and disappointed at the time.
Last edited by joz8968; 31 March 2018 at 11:37 AM.
31 March 2018, 12:22 PM
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you need to apply the specific bedding procedure for that pad manufacturer / compound otherwise as you found you might not get the best performance from them.....
PFC's in general like a short sharp shock type of approach making sure you cool them correctly afterwards also........
** not advisable with new discs unless they are pukka "fully heat treated" PFC rotors **
PFC's in general like a short sharp shock type of approach making sure you cool them correctly afterwards also........
** not advisable with new discs unless they are pukka "fully heat treated" PFC rotors **
31 March 2018, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AS Performance
you need to apply the specific bedding procedure for that pad manufacturer / compound otherwise as you found you might not get the best performance from them.....
PFC's in general like a short sharp shock type of approach making sure you cool them correctly afterwards also........
** not advisable with new discs unless they are pukka "fully heat treated" PFC rotors **
PFC's in general like a short sharp shock type of approach making sure you cool them correctly afterwards also........
** not advisable with new discs unless they are pukka "fully heat treated" PFC rotors **
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