Alan Jeffery

Try us for your next turbo! We supply all the top brands in every spec, from all the top suppliers, TD05, VF34, FP Green, GT35R you name it, all with a discount.
EG without a doubt, the most you're going to get out of a Scooby engine without going twisted, the S206. At present a ridiculously cheap £995 plus vat, it can't stay at that level for ever.

Godspeed Brakes

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How much do you do the VF34 for
Cheers Ian

stevie1982

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558BHP now that is impressive on v-power

Alan Jeffery

That's on race fuel as you know, and it's still impressive.
The point is that anybody can buy decent fuel, and like I've said before, if they don't take advantage of that fact when drag racing, I don't know what to say! The build is not an expensive one, standard heads and cams for instance, and if you're spending enough for 400 bhp, you can have well over 500 while you're at it.

stevie1982

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sorry alan no i did not know that was on race fuel as you ad states nothing about it hence my question. i no nothing about your s206 so have no idea what they are actualy rated to or what they can achieve, for all i know that was on pump fuel with a stupidly built 2.1 stroker than can take way over 2 bar and run to the **** to hit that figure what i do know is that some people are getting very impressive results your s206 and the 2.1 stroker that you do.

and anyhow

i am all for fuel additives run with it in mine, just to the un-trained eye that maybe be miss leading thinking that is achieved by v-power alone, what i would like to know is with the same set up as you ran there minus the additives etc what would that make on straight v-power only asking as i have a gt35 with p20 housing and was wondering on what i could expect from the s206 compared the one i have.

Alan Jeffery

Ah.. there was a thread going on this subject recently. What the ad is about, is to say that we can make 550 bhp plus from a basic 2.1 stroker with an S206, and I can tell you how to do it, and make one for you if you want one!
Nothing misleading about it!
My take is this. Nobody needs 550 bhp to get to Tescos, and most serious people are going to be doing something with the car. In any event, switchable mapping makes it all perfectly sensible to run around with 450 to 500 bhp ( ! ) and you can then find another 50 bhp for weekend sport by running it on race fuel, whatever. The point is to end up with a useable engine and turbo combination to make 500 bhp on V power, then max it out on race fuel, rather than run a larger turbo to make the 550 you wanted, which is then going to be laggy running it all day. Can you see where I'm at? The whole thing is a compromise, and I wouldn't want to spoil a nice road car just for the occasional run what you brung.
I'd expect a GT35 to be a bit tardy with a 2 litre, better with a stroker or a 2.5. The S206 is really good as a road unit on a 2.1 or 2.5, giving power all the way down. I've just literally stepped out of a classic equipped with a 2.5 and S206, and on the road, you'd swear it had a V8.

p1prodrive

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A price on a GT 40/94R with 1.06 housing please

Cheers
Matt

Alan Jeffery

Hi Matt, I'll pm you tomorrow, that one needs looking up.
Where's it going? that's some turbo!

p1prodrive

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2.33 with all the bits

Alan Jeffery

800 plus?

p1prodrive

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Not quite but around late 600-700's

stevie1982

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yes alan it makes sense sorry i meant no disrespect to your work or anythng i was just curious.

sorry what do you mean by TARDY, i assume you are meaning the gt35 is to big for a 2.0ltr?

what would you expect a s206 to make on a built 2.0ltr

cheers

Alan Jeffery

Hi..

I'd say a GT35R is a big turbo on a 2 litre unless you're dragging it 85% of the time.

Having just read your post again I see you have a P20 housing stock location, which is a different matter! I must stop this speed reading lark..

I can't see any reason why you wouldn't make 500 bhp at least from a 2 litre with an S206. It's like tuning anything else, the basics are there, you just have to make it happen.

hughes741

how much for a new or used vf34?

Alan Jeffery

New VF34 £922.38 delivered.
TD05 18G with 7 or 8 cm housings uprated actuator and thrust bearing
£893 delivered.
Not E bay specials!

p1doc

i will be aiming for 370bhp as only 550cc injectors but S206 should be future proof if, i mean when, i want more lol
martin

Scooby Dan

Would love an S206 for my built 2.5 Hawkeye STI, especially at that price. Just out of interest, how much later would it spool than my current md321t and what sort of power could I expect with 800cc injectors ?
Think I better start saving for the next phase of mods......

Mus

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i have ver 4sti type r with a built 2.5 and S206 combo all i can say is this is one hardcore turbo i get full boost at around 3k a little before in 5th gear and i dont have avcs heads so yours should spool better and make more torque. I kid you not this thing just pulls harder and harder my first drive was the car felt like an animal and was very scary to drive through the gears . every passenger i have had in my car begs me to slow down. i have never had an MD turbo so cant comment all i can say they have a very good rep on here. might worth sending a pm to billsandu as he has had an md321T, GT30 and a S206 all on a built 2.5 and he has carried out lots of test in terms 0-100mph, 30mph-70mph 50mph-100mph ect

im sure martyn has mapped a few MDs so he might shed some light on it.

stevie1982

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well bob used it as an everyday car and drag stuff was his little forte.

sorry to ask a silly question but what diffeence does the p20 make to the turbo characteristics

and assuming the 500bhp would be on a methonal mix or race fuel?

and when would you expect to see it kick in (rpm)

thanks

Alan Jeffery

Essentially what you have on your car is an RCM hybrid which came in two options GT35P18 or GT35P20. The P18 and P20 refer to the size of the exhaust housing and effect spool v outright power. Excuse my earlier "Tardy" comment which was aimed at a GT35R, a different animal intended for twisted up pipe systems. We see more of those!
We think an S206 could out do it, not radically, but the top end characteristics are certainly better on paper.
A built 2 litre has seen 478 bhp/430 lbs ft on our dyno from V power using an S206 at 1.8 bar. I can't see any reason why it wouldn't hit 500 plus at 2 bar.
Pulling strongly at 4000.
The owner of the car still hasn't tried it on the higher boost setting after picking the car up in November! He reckons it's scary at 1.4 bar..

stevie1982

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thanks alan

this will be dumb but still learning new things everday even after 5/6 years of ownership but regarding the p18 and p20 a assume the samller number the earlier spoil ? so the 18 should kick in earlier than the 20?

and what is the best way to test when it starts to spoil up?

and when it is on boost?

and i am very impressed by that as mine is set to 1.8bar with a v-power / water/meth aquamist and does similar figures to your s206 on a built 2.0ltr with just straight v-power what would you expect that to do with the water/meth aquamist introduced?

sorry for all the questions just looking at new ways to go a little further down the line, and i see where the customer is coming from i run mine day to day at 1.5bar (minimum boost it will run due to the build) and very rarely have i had the chance to pop it on 1.8 due to weather conditions but whn i have boy is it fun looking forward to brandshatch at the end of the month to see what its is really like

Alan Jeffery

The P18 is designed to have a better spool than the P20.
I don't suppose it matters too much how you test it, all I'd be bothered about is whether or not it's doing it for you! Certainly I don't rely on dyno sheets to give me spool info, and if you're going to test it on the road, you need to be very consistent in your approach. I'd say as good a method as any is to select third gear up a slight incline, hold it at around 1000 rpm, then floor it, and see at what rpm it hits max boost. It's largely arbitrary!
We haven't experimented with water injection much, I always worry about the reliability of these systems if you're relying on it.
I tell most customers to turn the boost down on a track day, it helps the poor engine to survive the experience. I don't know if you've driven Brands or not, but it's a fantastic track, the run downhill from Paddock is amazing!

gus sti8

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do you have a fitting kit instock for a fp green?

Alan Jeffery

Not from stock, would you like to to try and find one for you tomorrow?
If so, which car?

dilbob

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do you sell fitting kits for an APS turbo in a classic? (apparently garrett cores)

thanks

Alan Jeffery

If you drop me a pm with some numbers off it, I'll see what I can do.

Alan