mad_dr

Anyone care to disagree?

Once again, England are cheated out of a vital fair goal by an unprofessional spineless referee who consistanly showed bias toward the home team.

Should NEVER have gone to ET

Non-football supporters need not reply.

scooby-si

if you watch it again m8, it was a foul on the goalie by terry, reff 100% right and yes iam english, but to very nice goals by owen and costa top game,we lost,time to move on, COME ON THE Czech Republic

JohnMcC

Agree (partly) with both of you.

It was a perfectly fair goal in my view. But by the same token it is done now.

At least we can enjoy the rest of the tournament without that tension, I guess!!

While I'm here, I think pretty much the whole team bar the midfield deserve a pat on the back. Didn't play the football be hoped, expected and know they can play, but even so showed a lot of guts.

K9VYN

no way Si - goal should have stood! yes Terry's arm was out (for leverage), but look at his eyes - never left the ball. the keeper never even attempted to jump!

however, the Czechs have impressed and i think the tournament still is, as it has always been, wide open!

camk

So its not a foul if you impede the Goalie as long as you're not looking at him..... Bottom line is that is a foul in any game on the continent, week in week out.

K9VYN

you are absolutely right camk....

but impeding IMO implies intent - tell me where JT intentionally impeded the goalie to give Sol Campbell the advantage. that is my point about his eyes, he focused on the ball only not where the keeper was!

JT was first to jump for the ball... SC followed and the goalie while trying to get across his line made little or no attempt to jump and ran into JT as he was on his way back down. that IMO is not impeding! please explain to me why it is!

so week in week out on the continent players jump out of the way of the keeper to allow him a comfortable catch/save - me thinks not!

camk

They don't jump out the way but they concede a free kick.

http://mega.ist.utl.pt/~rpfc/p1_campbell_getty.jpg

judge for yourself, is the keeper being blocked ? Hint :- Where is Terry's left elbow

K9VYN

agreed JT's elbow is in the way... my point is that he (and his elbow) were there before the keeper challenged..

in your pic he's on his way down from a jump so it can't be helped that his arm/elbow is in that position when the keeper arrives. i'm sure you see my point? that as far as i am concered can't be considered impeding. how many times do you see keepers fail to get through a ruck of players and miss the ball - yet there is no free kick awarded to the keeper.

camk

Just watched it on the news, if it went the other way and the goal was given I'd be aggrieved. It was a correct decision for me but again my opinion doesn't count, just that of the ref.

JohnMcC

Disagree.

As has been said above (I think) he didnt use the keeper for leverage. Ricardo jumped into his elbow.

Anyway, this is meant to be a mans game - it is rapidly turning into a non contact sport.

Bring back the good old day where you could score by shoulder barging the keeper over the line while he was holding tha ball, thats what I say.

camk

...and those big heavy blaader *****, probably would have helped Figo

scooby-si

K9VYN terry should now any contact with the goalie is a possible foul.

ProperCharlie

apparently the ref haas now said that he didn't give the foul for Terry's jump on the goalie, but for an earlier push by Campbell on one of the defenders.

i thought the ref had a poor game overall, but then we didn't play that well either. we should have pushed on and got another goal much earlier, instead of leaving it to a last minute scramble.

all split milk now, in any case.

scoobynutta555

Goal should have stood, patently obvious it should have

Daz34

To be fair though, on the balance of play Portugal earned the game.

Darren

scoobynutta555

wheres the rest of me feckin post, modded again for no good reason, this is really pi55ing me off

Redkop

NOTHING has been edited of yours on this thread, so quit moaning all the time. Make sure you are on correct thread!

K9VYN

'tis absolutely right, no disputing that. and on tyhe balance of play (as statsed above) Portugal deserved to go through. had it been the other way and the goal stood i would have been disappointed for England but not agrieved as it would have been the right decision.

K9VYN

you're right Si, and i'm sure he does. i also don't think he made any deliberate contact with the keeper who cleverly imitated being impeded by run under JT's leap - it all about the timing. take JT away and given the keepers starting position... SC would still have scored!

camk

They think its all over.....'It is now'.....