why are our cars so bad on gas?
Oh dear you're rattled because once again you have been caught out bull****ting, its all there in black and white......Anyway I'm done now another early start in the morning, I've another Lift to commission 
Nighty night Mr Mitty..
Nighty night Mr Mitty..
FFS will you two give it up!?
I haven't been on here long but here is my summary:
Ditchy - apparently tells some tall stories, maybe a bit of a Jackanory, so what? It's the Internet, not real life, get over it
Jay - Seriously coming across like a saddo internet stalker who just can't let it go. You think ditchy is a BS merchant, we get it, move on and get on with your own life, if you have one
Jeeeez, seriously, why don't the mods do anything here?
I haven't been on here long but here is my summary:
Ditchy - apparently tells some tall stories, maybe a bit of a Jackanory, so what? It's the Internet, not real life, get over it
Jay - Seriously coming across like a saddo internet stalker who just can't let it go. You think ditchy is a BS merchant, we get it, move on and get on with your own life, if you have one
Jeeeez, seriously, why don't the mods do anything here?
Glad to see it's not only me that get's it.
Sorry everyone, but I take no **** from nobody, this **** and his pals have been giving me **** for ages and I have finally had enough, sorry you had to be a part of it, in my day we'd have taken it outside.
Gone past 10 pager so mods have to let it go until one of em goes crazy....er and either bans themselves Or they meet up and give each other a big cuddle 
Either way I've read 13 pages and still don't know why a Scooby has such bad gas!?!?
Either way I've read 13 pages and still don't know why a Scooby has such bad gas!?!?
You're another one I hope I never meet.
What no comments about my fictional engine build.
Mr big man wage slave.
This post is just for the mods, and I'll be pressing the RTM button myself.
Since the 11th of september 90% of this ***** posts have been about me, and there have been a fair few, that's just his recent history, I can't be arsed to search the rest.
ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A WORD WITH THIS **** OR JUST LET IT CARRY ON???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????
P.S Just in case you're wondering who I'm talking about, it's jayallen.
Since the 11th of september 90% of this ***** posts have been about me, and there have been a fair few, that's just his recent history, I can't be arsed to search the rest.
ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A WORD WITH THIS **** OR JUST LET IT CARRY ON???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????
P.S Just in case you're wondering who I'm talking about, it's jayallen.
the best laugh for me on this thread is one of the comment makers doesn't even own a subaru anymore if his avatar is to be believed. so why the firk did he even post on a thread about subaru fuel consumption, to answer the op's question its all about the design layout of the engine it's a flat 4 so you have 2 pistons on each side conflicting with 2 on the otherside, it's never going to be economical like a normal engine, look up the design of subaru its all about a low centre of gravity and the asymmetric 4 wheel drive system, and in order to keep the low centre of gravity like alfa romeo they chose to use a flat 4 engine and then throw on a turbo to make it go better
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the best laugh for me on this thread is one of the comment makers doesn't even own a subaru anymore if his avatar is to be believed. so why the firk did he even post on a thread about subaru fuel consumption, to answer the op's question its all about the design layout of the engine it's a flat 4 so you have 2 pistons on each side conflicting with 2 on the otherside, it's never going to be economical like a normal engine, look up the design of subaru its all about a low centre of gravity and the asymmetric 4 wheel drive system, and in order to keep the low centre of gravity like alfa romeo they chose to use a flat 4 engine and then throw on a turbo to make it go better
This is now 13 PAGES?!?! Best read I've had for ages, defo a bit of romance going on here.
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RTM - because of his wealth of knowledge in all things, he know's what's what and can do anything. Don't stand in his way because he don't suffer fools gladly and will just f**k you off and go elsewhere.
This post is just for the mods, and I'll be pressing the RTM button myself.
Since the 11th of september 90% of this ***** posts have been about me, and there have been a fair few, that's just his recent history, I can't be arsed to search the rest.
ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A WORD WITH THIS **** OR JUST LET IT CARRY ON???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????
P.S Just in case you're wondering who I'm talking about, it's jayallen.
Since the 11th of september 90% of this ***** posts have been about me, and there have been a fair few, that's just his recent history, I can't be arsed to search the rest.
ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A WORD WITH THIS **** OR JUST LET IT CARRY ON???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????
P.S Just in case you're wondering who I'm talking about, it's jayallen.
call the anti-bullying hotline sh1tcnut
well that escalated quickly, not logged on for a few days lol
well played mods about time walter mitty got what he deserves.
always crying when people question his lies,yet threatens and abuses members.
looks like his request was granted
i feel sorry for him really, obviously a very sad man who has to spend his time making up stories on a subaru website.
All i can say is i hope my life doesnt go so well that when i get to 50 and all i can afford is an old wrx wagon and a rover 25 .
well played mods about time walter mitty got what he deserves.
always crying when people question his lies,yet threatens and abuses members.
looks like his request was granted
i feel sorry for him really, obviously a very sad man who has to spend his time making up stories on a subaru website.
All i can say is i hope my life doesnt go so well that when i get to 50 and all i can afford is an old wrx wagon and a rover 25 .
Last edited by fat-thomas; Oct 23, 2015 at 12:29 PM.
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hmmm, it would appear some folks have been banned...
Now if only the mods would tidy up this thread and remove all the wrx vs sti stuff to its own thread and the personal attacks to the fight club (I assume that is what that is for? I don’t have access) we can get back to discussing our crappy MPG and maybe a few ideas about how to improve it a little? I know when I tell the wifelet I got 24 MPG this month she is a little happier than when I say I only got 18…
When I next fill up I'll switch map and keep a record.
I can’t recall the ECU, might be Syvecs, might be Alcatek, I’m pretty sure it's not ESL. Duncan @ Racedynamix did the mapping and as I said it is just a simple duel map; the only discernible difference to the end user (IE me) is low boost pressure or high boost pressure. I can’t even recall the pressure figures, it was done a couple of years ago and I normally just leave it on higher boost
id leave it here, id hazard a guess ditchy wanted it removed to hide his lies and the abuse and name calling he hands out.
on the subject of mpg.
my 350 bhp sti got somewhere between 70 to 80 miles on £20 of vpower.
no idea what this equates too but a tank used to last somewhere between 220 and 250 miles.
just because its possible to eek out 30 to 35 mpg whats the point.
the mpg should be calculated with normal driving as if you drive around off boost and sitting at 56 mph on the motorway you have bought the wrong car.
on the subject of mpg.
my 350 bhp sti got somewhere between 70 to 80 miles on £20 of vpower.
no idea what this equates too but a tank used to last somewhere between 220 and 250 miles.
just because its possible to eek out 30 to 35 mpg whats the point.
the mpg should be calculated with normal driving as if you drive around off boost and sitting at 56 mph on the motorway you have bought the wrong car.
Last edited by fat-thomas; Oct 23, 2015 at 12:07 PM.
id leave it here, id hazard a guess ditchy wanted it removed to hide his lies and the abuse and name calling he hands out.
on the subject of mpg.
my 350 bhp sti got somewhere between 70 to 80 miles on £20 of vpower.
no idea what this equates too but a tank used to last somewhere between 220 and 250 miles.
just because its possible to eek out 30 to 35 mpg whats the point.
the mpg should be calculated with normal driving as if you drive around off boost and sitting at 56 mph on the motorway you have bought the wrong car.
on the subject of mpg.
my 350 bhp sti got somewhere between 70 to 80 miles on £20 of vpower.
no idea what this equates too but a tank used to last somewhere between 220 and 250 miles.
just because its possible to eek out 30 to 35 mpg whats the point.
the mpg should be calculated with normal driving as if you drive around off boost and sitting at 56 mph on the motorway you have bought the wrong car.
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well that escalated quickly, not logged on for a few days lol
well played mods about time walter mitty got what he deserves.
always crying when people question his lies,yet threatens and abuses members.
looks like his request was granted
i feel sorry for him really, obviously a very sad man who has to spend his time making up stories on a subaru website.
All i can say is i hope my life doesnt go so well that when i get to 50 and all i can afford is an old wrx wagon and a rover 25 .
well played mods about time walter mitty got what he deserves.
always crying when people question his lies,yet threatens and abuses members.
looks like his request was granted
i feel sorry for him really, obviously a very sad man who has to spend his time making up stories on a subaru website.
All i can say is i hope my life doesnt go so well that when i get to 50 and all i can afford is an old wrx wagon and a rover 25 .
id leave it here, id hazard a guess ditchy wanted it removed to hide his lies and the abuse and name calling he hands out.
on the subject of mpg.
my 350 bhp sti got somewhere between 70 to 80 miles on £20 of vpower.
no idea what this equates too but a tank used to last somewhere between 220 and 250 miles.
just because its possible to eek out 30 to 35 mpg whats the point.
the mpg should be calculated with normal driving as if you drive around off boost and sitting at 56 mph on the motorway you have bought the wrong car.
on the subject of mpg.
my 350 bhp sti got somewhere between 70 to 80 miles on £20 of vpower.
no idea what this equates too but a tank used to last somewhere between 220 and 250 miles.
just because its possible to eek out 30 to 35 mpg whats the point.
the mpg should be calculated with normal driving as if you drive around off boost and sitting at 56 mph on the motorway you have bought the wrong car.
When my car was an almighty WRX PPP (before I made it much slower into it's current guise) I used to have to commute 40 miles a day, mainly motorway driving, I used to average 250 miles before I would have to fill up, that was normal cruising and a few squirts of boost here and there. On a long motorway run I could get about 300 miles out of a tank.
Then I upped the power to 340bhp ish and guess what, I still averaged 250 miles, and could still squeeze 300 miles on a long motorway cruise.
Now that I have gone backwards and made my car slower (according to some on here) and stuck in a 2.35/GT35/1050cc injectors and have well over 600bhp on tap, I can still get 300 miles on a tank on a long motorway cruise, granted the tank empties a hell of a lot quicker when you squeeze the pedal, and if I leave it in cal 1, approx 430bhp, stick to normal driving conditions as above, then it will be somewhere around 200 - 220 before I have to fill up.
I'm sure that if I drove at 50mph non-stop then the mpg would be higher, but who does that everyday so it is not reflective of average driving.
I should add that my car is now a weekend toy and defintely not my commuting mule, but ultimately when off boost these flat fours offer pretty much the same mpg no matter what the level of tune, from my experience
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my 350 bhp sti got somewhere between 70 to 80 miles on £20 of vpower.
no idea what this equates too but a tank used to last somewhere between 220 and 250 miles.
just because its possible to eek out 30 to 35 mpg whats the point.
the mpg should be calculated with normal driving as if you drive around off boost and sitting at 56 mph on the motorway you have bought the wrong car.
no idea what this equates too but a tank used to last somewhere between 220 and 250 miles.
just because its possible to eek out 30 to 35 mpg whats the point.
the mpg should be calculated with normal driving as if you drive around off boost and sitting at 56 mph on the motorway you have bought the wrong car.
I’m always happy to fill up and I tend to do so every 250 miles (I agree that if I were worried about the cost I wouldnt be able to drive anywhere and would drive the wifelet's car more often), but I cant let it lie - I have to know my MPG, it’s just something I’ve tracked ever since I started driving nearly20 years ago. And if a little experiment by me can show a few extra MPG that may help others, I don’t have a problem with that
edit: trying to edit out the double quote, but it keeps going back in. Odd, that.
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the best laugh for me on this thread is one of the comment makers doesn't even own a subaru anymore if his avatar is to be believed. so why the firk did he even post on a thread about subaru fuel consumption, to answer the op's question its all about the design layout of the engine it's a flat 4 so you have 2 pistons on each side conflicting with 2 on the otherside, it's never going to be economical like a normal engine, look up the design of subaru its all about a low centre of gravity and the asymmetric 4 wheel drive system, and in order to keep the low centre of gravity like alfa romeo they chose to use a flat 4 engine and then throw on a turbo to make it go better
Porsches have boxer engines and I was always under the impressive that "pound for pound" they were much more economical that their direct competition
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that's only because you weren't trying hard enough! i would have though you could have got it down well below 40, less using the ***** pedal and more aggressive use of loud pedal in future!
In my MY99 when new with ppp i could get 28 mpg but what's the point, used to average around 18/20. STI RA V1 - who cares....it was all about the noise and acceleration
In my MY99 when new with ppp i could get 28 mpg but what's the point, used to average around 18/20. STI RA V1 - who cares....it was all about the noise and acceleration
Last edited by The Zohan; Oct 24, 2015 at 07:19 AM.
Quite agree it sshould be based on 'nomal driving conditions' and not what might be possible.
When my car was an almighty WRX PPP (before I made it much slower into it's current guise) I used to have to commute 40 miles a day, mainly motorway driving, I used to average 250 miles before I would have to fill up, that was normal cruising and a few squirts of boost here and there. On a long motorway run I could get about 300 miles out of a tank.
Then I upped the power to 340bhp ish and guess what, I still averaged 250 miles, and could still squeeze 300 miles on a long motorway cruise.
Now that I have gone backwards and made my car slower (according to some on here) and stuck in a 2.35/GT35/1050cc injectors and have well over 600bhp on tap, I can still get 300 miles on a tank on a long motorway cruise, granted the tank empties a hell of a lot quicker when you squeeze the pedal, and if I leave it in cal 1, approx 430bhp, stick to normal driving conditions as above, then it will be somewhere around 200 - 220 before I have to fill up.
I'm sure that if I drove at 50mph non-stop then the mpg would be higher, but who does that everyday so it is not reflective of average driving.
I should add that my car is now a weekend toy and defintely not my commuting mule, but ultimately when off boost these flat fours offer pretty much the same mpg no matter what the level of tune, from my experience
When my car was an almighty WRX PPP (before I made it much slower into it's current guise) I used to have to commute 40 miles a day, mainly motorway driving, I used to average 250 miles before I would have to fill up, that was normal cruising and a few squirts of boost here and there. On a long motorway run I could get about 300 miles out of a tank.
Then I upped the power to 340bhp ish and guess what, I still averaged 250 miles, and could still squeeze 300 miles on a long motorway cruise.
Now that I have gone backwards and made my car slower (according to some on here) and stuck in a 2.35/GT35/1050cc injectors and have well over 600bhp on tap, I can still get 300 miles on a tank on a long motorway cruise, granted the tank empties a hell of a lot quicker when you squeeze the pedal, and if I leave it in cal 1, approx 430bhp, stick to normal driving conditions as above, then it will be somewhere around 200 - 220 before I have to fill up.
I'm sure that if I drove at 50mph non-stop then the mpg would be higher, but who does that everyday so it is not reflective of average driving.
I should add that my car is now a weekend toy and defintely not my commuting mule, but ultimately when off boost these flat fours offer pretty much the same mpg no matter what the level of tune, from my experience
This makes sense as our 270 bhp wrx was only slightly better on fuel.
I have managed nearly 300 miles to a tank when we did run up to nbo bit this was on a motorway and not what I'd call average driving.
the best laugh for me on this thread is one of the comment makers doesn't even own a subaru anymore if his avatar is to be believed. so why the firk did he even post on a thread about subaru fuel consumption, to answer the op's question its all about the design layout of the engine it's a flat 4 so you have 2 pistons on each side conflicting with 2 on the otherside, it's never going to be economical like a normal engine, look up the design of subaru its all about a low centre of gravity and the asymmetric 4 wheel drive system, and in order to keep the low centre of gravity like alfa romeo they chose to use a flat 4 engine and then throw on a turbo to make it go better
jay has owned a selection of imprezas so id say his advice is much better than that of a known bullsh1tter and internet fantasist who's only experience of a newage sti is some **** and bull story of once test driving one or an idiot who thinks an anti roll bar gave him more mpg.
advice is something that should come from experience not someone who has only owned one model of impreza for five minutes.
The permanent 4wd is mostly what cost the mpg on an impreza that alongside a turbo charger just adds up to losing more mpg.
im not sure the boxer layout has much of an effect though.
Last edited by fat-thomas; Oct 23, 2015 at 04:02 PM.
why is it funny that someone has posted on a thread and they dont own a subaru anymore??
jay has owned a selection of imprezas so id say his advice is much better than that of a known bullsh1tter and internet fantasist who's only experience of a newage sti is some **** and bull story of once test driving one or an idiot who thinks an anti roll bar gave him more mpg.
advice is something that should come from experience not someone who has only owned one model of impreza for five minutes.
The permanent 4wd is mostly what cost the mpg on an impreza that alongside a turbo charger just adds up to losing more mpg.
im not sure the boxer layout has much of an effect though.
jay has owned a selection of imprezas so id say his advice is much better than that of a known bullsh1tter and internet fantasist who's only experience of a newage sti is some **** and bull story of once test driving one or an idiot who thinks an anti roll bar gave him more mpg.
advice is something that should come from experience not someone who has only owned one model of impreza for five minutes.
The permanent 4wd is mostly what cost the mpg on an impreza that alongside a turbo charger just adds up to losing more mpg.
im not sure the boxer layout has much of an effect though.