How far can you push a forged 2.5?
08 March 2014, 06:43 PM
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How far can you push a forged 2.5?
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Having read through as many old posts that I can find on SN. I have come to the conclusion that a forged correctly built 2.5 makes a great road car with plenty of low down torque. However the engine shouldn't really be pushed to 500/500 as this is where the engine becomes unreliable and a host of problems start to occur.
I currently have a 2.5 converted WR1 producing 438bhp and 485ft lb on an SC46 on 1.7 bar. Don't get me wrong it's amazing on the roads and bloody quick. I have no intention on using it on a track day. Now question is could I up the turbo to an SC50? pushing 500? however keep the boost on say 1.5 - 1.6 bar? Or will that just be asking for trouble?
The car is used every weekend and 90% of the time i drive it like a granny.
Thanks,
Loz.
Having read through as many old posts that I can find on SN. I have come to the conclusion that a forged correctly built 2.5 makes a great road car with plenty of low down torque. However the engine shouldn't really be pushed to 500/500 as this is where the engine becomes unreliable and a host of problems start to occur.
I currently have a 2.5 converted WR1 producing 438bhp and 485ft lb on an SC46 on 1.7 bar. Don't get me wrong it's amazing on the roads and bloody quick. I have no intention on using it on a track day. Now question is could I up the turbo to an SC50? pushing 500? however keep the boost on say 1.5 - 1.6 bar? Or will that just be asking for trouble?
The car is used every weekend and 90% of the time i drive it like a granny.
Thanks,
Loz.
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08 March 2014, 07:32 PM
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On one hand I have seen builders push these things to well over 500bhp and claim no issues.
Someone I rate very highly says you can get a reliable 500/500 with proper maintenance, good mapping and sensible use.
However I have seen some suggest that the blocks on these cars fail as low as 1.2 bar, regardless of the internals.
Someone I rate very highly says you can get a reliable 500/500 with proper maintenance, good mapping and sensible use.
However I have seen some suggest that the blocks on these cars fail as low as 1.2 bar, regardless of the internals.
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09 March 2014, 11:52 AM
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I have wondered the same... I have a 2.5 with CDB insert 14mm head stud conversion fully forged with ported headers etc and a VF48 Billet. It's getting mapped on 3rd of April but I'm already looking at what is needed for 500/500 as I think this is an achievable figure for a reliable daily driver.
09 March 2014, 02:55 PM
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Same for me lads' I've got a MD321V going on and I'll be looking for 500/500. Sticking to the 11mm Cosworth bolts unless the ARPs deliver the same performance?
09 March 2014, 05:22 PM
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I've sourced a re-worked 321V that ran over 500 on v power. Just need to find the funds as still suffering the kick in the wallet from the rebuild
09 March 2014, 06:43 PM
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It's not the BHP , it's the Bar
1.7 on 11mm any more takes your chances
Liners are thin & weak
Darton dry liners are a solution , but I don't want to get into a debate as there not everyone's choice
470-480 is a good number for reliable strong build for everyday use
Torque is the goal
1.7 on 11mm any more takes your chances
Liners are thin & weak
Darton dry liners are a solution , but I don't want to get into a debate as there not everyone's choice
470-480 is a good number for reliable strong build for everyday use
Torque is the goal
09 March 2014, 07:08 PM
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On the road the sc50 wouldnt be as usefull as the sc46, ive a 46 and the spools pretty good for a larger turbo, I was told by my builder that 450/450 is ideal and once you go over that you get issues
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11mm Cosworths will be fine, they are the UHP ones. Was just wondering if anyone rated the higher rated ARPs but it appears the cossie bolts are 1mm thicker as well.
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Personally, I'd leave well alone unless you going to get a CDB and 14mm headstuds
2.5 and SC46 makes for a great combination not just because of the headline figures but because of the response, boost threshold and lack of lag.
The danger is that the compromises you make in the above respects will not be offset by any power gains (i.e. you could significantly compromise drive-ability for a fairly nominal gain in power) and the process will cost you a lot to do safely! You're at the stage where there is a real law of diminishing returns operating!
Suggest you talk to your engine builder.
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2.5 and SC46 makes for a great combination not just because of the headline figures but because of the response, boost threshold and lack of lag.
The danger is that the compromises you make in the above respects will not be offset by any power gains (i.e. you could significantly compromise drive-ability for a fairly nominal gain in power) and the process will cost you a lot to do safely! You're at the stage where there is a real law of diminishing returns operating!
Suggest you talk to your engine builder.
Ns04
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Hi,
Having read through as many old posts that I can find on SN. I have come to the conclusion that a forged correctly built 2.5 makes a great road car with plenty of low down torque. However the engine shouldn't really be pushed to 500/500 as this is where the engine becomes unreliable and a host of problems start to occur.
I currently have a 2.5 converted WR1 producing 438bhp and 485ft lb on an SC46 on 1.7 bar. Don't get me wrong it's amazing on the roads and bloody quick. I have no intention on using it on a track day. Now question is could I up the turbo to an SC50? pushing 500? however keep the boost on say 1.5 - 1.6 bar? Or will that just be asking for trouble?
The car is used every weekend and 90% of the time i drive it like a granny.
Thanks,
Loz.
Having read through as many old posts that I can find on SN. I have come to the conclusion that a forged correctly built 2.5 makes a great road car with plenty of low down torque. However the engine shouldn't really be pushed to 500/500 as this is where the engine becomes unreliable and a host of problems start to occur.
I currently have a 2.5 converted WR1 producing 438bhp and 485ft lb on an SC46 on 1.7 bar. Don't get me wrong it's amazing on the roads and bloody quick. I have no intention on using it on a track day. Now question is could I up the turbo to an SC50? pushing 500? however keep the boost on say 1.5 - 1.6 bar? Or will that just be asking for trouble?
The car is used every weekend and 90% of the time i drive it like a granny.
Thanks,
Loz.
No disrespect Loz as it sounds like your car is a monster already
but why would you want to push your car to 500, if you only use it every other weekend and never on a track plus you drive like a granny 
08 May 2014, 04:50 PM
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im thinking of going 2.5 forge in my 05 sti. want torque more than anything so dont think s 2.1 would satisfy my needs. all I want is 450/450 road car. any one know whos best to use to build? timewise? cost? would I be able to sell any of my engine to fund the project?? cheers all