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I already said I got that from Tim Farmer.
As you're not reading my posts what's the point in responding.
Think it's time for you to go and troll another thread pal (on SIOC probably), you're the one acting like the know it all here, not me
Nothing has come of this "debate" as all it's made clear is that nobody has sufficient knowledge on what the differences are, so there's little point in continuing.
Anyway, back on topic it seems all the (reputable) engine builders are more than aware of it. Tim Farmer, Paul Finch and Alan Jeffrey - spoke to all of them, and whilst all said the widetrack engines are strong units, both Paul and Tim immediately suggested that would be the cause of the problem.
Originally Posted by MrNoisy
I already said I got that from Tim Farmer.
Yeah yeah, and Paul Finch and Alan Jeffrey. We heard that bit already.
So if I were to speak to Tim or Alan as reliable sources of information for research purposes, am I then to be accused of perpetuating a witch hunt?
PMSL you're unreal I'll let those capable of reading properly draw their own conclusions.
I don't know what the problem is.
You made a claim about it been something that affects widetrack models. Anyone who knows Subarus knows that it was only suspension and drive train changes to widetrack models.
No way that would effect valve train.
Someone checked it out and found out that it is incorrect what you said. I don't see the big deal....
You made a claim about it been something that affects widetrack models. Anyone who knows Subarus knows that it was only suspension and drive train changes to widetrack models.
No way that would effect valve train.
Someone checked it out and found out that it is incorrect what you said. I don't see the big deal....
Cheers
I was beginning to think it was me. I don't think I have behaved or posted improperly, and I have the greatest respect for the knowledge and experience of the engine builders mentioned, all of whom I have had dealings with to a greater or lesser extent.
Shall we get back on topic and play nicely?
Cheers
I was beginning to think it was me. I don't think I have behaved or posted improperly, and I have the greatest respect for the knowledge and experience of the engine builders mentioned, all of whom I have had dealings with to a greater or lesser extent.
Shall we get back on topic and play nicely?
I wouldn't say there is an issue. Someone claimed something with no proof or evidence and it got checked out. Now everyone knows something we didn't before.
So back on topic, and appropriately topical to this thread.
My original set up is currently ranked at No16 in the 'Big Power' list.
Two years ago I moved on to a fully forged build which precluded me from the OEM engine set up. Long story short, the forged build suffered a premature failure (NOT valve related) and has been dismantled and slavageable parts were sold off. No names no pack drill.
As a replacement I recently acquired a totally standard and very sweet JDM 2 litre from MattyBR5 which now resides in my car. Supporting mods are pretty much as before but it now has 1000cc injectors and the SC46 has been freshly rebuilt by AET turbos, and no Methanol. The engine swap was done by Tim Farmer and mapped by Racedynamix yesterday at RCM.
So the current spec relevant to this thread is:
446/420 something torque, 2005 Sti, JDM EJ20 stock internals, SC46, Perrin FMIC, 1000cc injectors, Syvecs, Milltek 3" decat, RCM headers, mapped by Racedynamix, RCM dyno / (daily drive + track)
So this has made more power on just Momentum with 1.6 bar boost than the original stock engine did with Methanol and 1.8 bar. Happy days.
I forgot to pick up a print out but I did photograph the dyno screen.
400-450 is the sweet spot, some run more without issues, tim ran 530.
Id be happy pushing it upto 500 personally knowing history and mileage of block.
Of course id be prepared if it blows as its all owners risk
I think I'd be happy with any figure that started with a 4. Car is going to be mapped again soon, was just curious how far I could push it comfortably. My turbo will run out of puff before 450+ anyway. For now anyway :-)
What do people reckon that the standard internals on an EJ207 are capable of?
My STi 5's standard long (or should that be 'wide' lol ) engine has been running between 340 and 384 since November 2010 (has been at 384 for most of that time). Engine had an indicated 41k at the time. Still going strong all but 6yrs down the line, no issues.
Last edited by joz8968; 14 September 2016 at 07:15 PM.
Johno01
475bhp
440 nm torque
2004 UK sti (non widetrack)
SC 46 billet turbo...syvecs ecu..800cc injectors...scoobyclinic fmic...oversized K +n air filter...gt spec headers...3 bar map sensor...defis...full 3 inch mongoose
440bhp on just v-power...475bhp with 20% methanol
Scoobyclinic RR..GRAPH TO FOLLOW
Last edited by johno01; 11 November 2016 at 04:33 PM.
Just got my car back from a turbo fitting and mapping yesterday. No where near in the same league as some cars on this list! But I'll drop it in there anyway, I'm happy with it for now. Dropped in at no.37
1) Tweaks - 533.3/455 -wrx RA - 2005 Sti motor,rotated billet 30r,dw 1000's,airtec rs500 fmic supporting mods etc.
16% meth
Mapped by Martyn J @ engine tuner
2) WhiteWagonMan - 505 bhp / 456 lbft - 1998 v5 STi(JDM v8 STi EJ20 bottom end) SC42 Billet / Afterburner Vortex R 3" zorst / Vpower + 20% meth / RCM induction setup / WR1 DCCD 6 speed box / GTspec headers / Harvey smith uppipe / FMIC / AP Racing brakes / Fuelab FPR / Walbro 300 pump / lateral 900cc injectors / syvecs ECU / mapped by mr syvecs himself Pat Herborn / Scoobyclinic RR and Road mapped / daily driven road car
3) DazDavies 504bhp / 2005 JDM STI LM450 Billet, FMIC, PE800cc injectors, Syvecs Mapped by JGM Vpower and 15% meth
5) Shaun - 490bhp / 475lbft - 2006 JDM 2ltr STI, 20% Meth Mix, Billet LM450, BRD Induction Kit, SFS Intake Hose, Hybrid FMIC, 800cc inj, 3" Miltek and standard ECU mapped by Bob Rawle and power figures from SRR. Predominantly road use, but is used for everything and anything, including public track days and competition use.
6) Stevesbluewrx - 482 bhp / 448 lbft - 2002 STi (EJ20) / MDX321T (BILLET T71) 3" RCM Exhaust (With Sports cat) / Vpower + 18% Meth / CAIK / SimTek/AlcaTek ecu / 2 way FPR with parrellel set up / Lateral 850cc injectors / Surrey Rolling Road / Jollygreenmonster ( Daily Driver)*
20) Scooby B - 430bhp / 398lbft / Bugeye sti prodrive / Sc42 / Perrin inlet & induction / RCM 800cc injectors / RCM headers / 3" miltek / alcatek ecu / Vpower or Tesco only / EngineTuner mapped by MJ / Weekend toy with some public track days thrown in [/B]
21) T20Driver - 426bhp, 391lbft, MY05 2.0 JDM STi, Billet LM420, Hybrid FMIC, BRD Induction, 800cc injectors, 3" Miltek decat, Bob Rawle map (Base map update only as Meggarom won't activate AVCS), V Power - daily driver
22) Paulo P (Paul), 421bhp, 360lbft, 2005 sti short motor, ported and polished sti 3 cylinder heads, MD321S turbo (hence the low torque due to lag on a 2 litre), nismo 740cc injectors, 76mm inlet under a much modified version 3 inlet manifold system, tubular headers, FMIC, AVCR, Power FC, Z32 MAF + a lot more!*
23) Blocks85, 412/412 on 20% Meth, 2.0 blob Sti, Japspeed ported headers, Japspeed de cat, Japspeed fmic, RAMAIR induction kit, 650 injectors, BIG D ported VF43, 91k miles. Mapped by Martyn j @ ENGINETUNER
24) chrispy200+, 410/410 @1.4bar on V power, v5 Type R with stock EJ257, MD555 76mm inlet, syvecs / Surrey Rolling Road,*
25) Jayallen - 404 bhp / 370 lbft @1.5bar /2002 STi (stock EG20) / Andy F TD05 20G / FMIC / RCM Cone Filter / Full De-catted 3" System / Surrey Rolling Road / Duncan Graham( Was a Daily Driver)
26) Turbotits - 401bhp /370 ft/lbs - 2002 STI, 106,000 miles / AFP 18g / vpower(?) + 20% meth / 650cc inj / lateral headers and up pipe, APS CAIK / Simtek mapped by JGM
27) Pez 397 bhp /420 lbft / 2007 2.5 Hawkeye Type-UK / Original vf43/ Hyperflow Monster front mount + intake relocated to inner wing / full miltek exhaust system with de-cats and headers / hayward+scott up pipe / forge 1 bar actuator+dv / standard injectors/ vpower only / S4U Rollers - ECUTek by Bob Rawle*
35) EqualizerCS - 355 bhp / 362 lbft / MY03 STI EJ20 / VF35 / Standard Internals / Standard TMIC / Aerys 3" Turbo-Back (300 Cells Cat) / Green Performance Cotton Air Filter / Walbro 255 l/h / Ecutek / Fuel 98 Octane / (Daily Drive)
36) the shreksta - 354bhp / 365lbft 54 plate blobeye wrx, sti long engine including avcs heads but not running the avcs yet, vf35 turbo, advanced automotive modded 11mm oil pump, rcm water pump, 650cc injectors, oem recirc valve, sti tgv delete manifold, ngkpfr7b plugs, sti top mount intercooler, silicone intake hose, rcm340 pump, rcm induction kit, rcm headers with venturi up-pipe (all heat wrapped), japspeed full de-cat 3" downpipe (wrapped), 3" afterburner center section, afterburner raptor backbox, version 6 sti 5 speed close ratio box with stage 2 organic clutch,
mapped by duncan @ race dynamix on rcm rollers and open road map tweak
37) Ste333 - 352bhp / lbft TBC (I need to look at the graph), 54 plate Widetrack STI, TD05 16G *billet*, decat downpipe, 3 port solenoid, walbro 255 pump, PFR7B plugs. That aside all standard. Mapped at TDR by Mark, Vpower fuel. Daily driven.
38) Addi Monster - 352bhp 340lbft classic jdm impreza on standard box and lump, 16g fmic 440's with reg, GRP's rollers Dynamix map on simtek.
40) Kedlestone - 346.9 / 320 lbft Newage WRX, Standard EJ20, Standard Gearbox, VF34, STI TMIC, Full 2.5 Decat, 550cc Injectors, Walbro Fuel Pump, APS Cold Air Induction, Simtek ECU Mapped by Pat @ SC on V-Power only. Daily Drive.
41) Tidgy - 341.4 / 315 lbft, my99 uk turbo, ppg gearbox, vf34, front mount, decat, autronics ecu mapped by scoobyclinic on v power
42) scc28 - 341 bhp / 355 lb/ft, Forester XT 2005 55 EJ25, VF41- STI ic- Full decat and 2.5" back, v-power or tesco99, Powerstation Rolling Road
43)Psycho Sport - 335/333 2005 Newage WRX. Sc36 16g Turbo, JGM remap, sti injectors, sti intercooler, sports cat down pipe, 2.5 inch system to tailpipe, ported and heat wrapped down pipes, decat up pipe. Run on VPower. Daily Drive
43) mickywrx - 329.4/289lb/ft MY94 WRX Standard EJ20, standard ECU, Standard TD05, Standard 380cc injectors, V Power only, 1bar boost, couple of bolt on's, NOT remapped. Daily driven and it's had some 1/4 mile abuse.
44) Chet123 - 323 bhp/320 lb/ft @ 1.4 bar 04 newage STI, K&N Panel Filter, 3 Port Solenoid, 255 Walbro Fuel Pump, Ported OEM Headers, Harvey Smith slip jointed Up-pipe, Afterburner 2.5" turbo back exhaust system incl. DP, Racedynamix Remap - Standard internals 550 injectors, TMIC all on V-Power
45) Wayne STI - 309.7 bhp / 300.9 lb/ft @ 1.42 bar, 2008 STI (EJ25) dual AVCS / Andy F TD05-20g / 3" Miltek turbo back (sports cat downpipe) / Japspeed FMIC & Induction / Perrin silicone turbo inlet. Block never split standard everything else. V Power only racedynamix map / PJ Motorsports Dynopack hub dyno (daily driver)
Last edited by Ste333; 18 November 2016 at 07:16 AM.
TIZERBOY. JDM STI Bug 404bhp 350 ft/lbs 1.4 bar Sc42bb,Perrin fPR, Process West TMIC, Scoobyclinic induction kit, STI pinks, 7 plugs, full 3”de-cat cobra exhaust, Perrin intake, RCM GT spec headers, Harvey up pipe, on v power..
So back on topic, and appropriately topical to this thread.
My original set up is currently ranked at No16 in the 'Big Power' list.
Two years ago I moved on to a fully forged build which precluded me from the OEM engine set up. Long story short, the forged build suffered a premature failure (NOT valve related) and has been dismantled and slavageable parts were sold off. No names no pack drill.
As a replacement I recently acquired a totally standard and very sweet JDM 2 litre from MattyBR5 which now resides in my car. Supporting mods are pretty much as before but it now has 1000cc injectors and the SC46 has been freshly rebuilt by AET turbos, and no Methanol. The engine swap was done by Tim Farmer and mapped by Racedynamix yesterday at RCM.
So the current spec relevant to this thread is:
446/420 something torque, 2005 Sti, JDM EJ20 stock internals, SC46, Perrin FMIC, 1000cc injectors, Syvecs, Milltek 3" decat, RCM headers, mapped by Racedynamix, RCM dyno / (daily drive + track)
So this has made more power on just Momentum with 1.6 bar boost than the original stock engine did with Methanol and 1.8 bar. Happy days.
I forgot to pick up a print out but I did photograph the dyno screen.
The figure that’s impressive there is the torque - 420 ft/lbs or thereabouts on a 2.0 without meth is very impressive. The power is about the same as some SC42’s make (mine maxed out at 440/390 at 1.6 bar tailing off to 1.4/1.5 on V-Power) but that’s a significant extra slab of torque.
Spool looks to be a little later but the JDM’s Rev higher so offset a little. Interesting.
I bet more upgraded to chase power than let go tho.
I Swapped mine to a JDM unit, not because of failure but as you say.. or at least similar.. I swapped for the extra 1000rpm's (nicer for track work)
both engines still going.. my old one got transplanted.
The current one has done 40 laps of the ring, 70 laps of spa, around 100 round brands and a good 60 or 70 at goodwood, and around 20k road miles.
All completed with well north of 400 hp on standard internals and on pump fuel. The standard engine is a strong unit.
I seem to have dropped a couple of places in the list! need to plug my syvecs in
5) Shaun - 490bhp / 475lbft - 2006 JDM 2ltr STI, 20% Meth Mix, Billet LM450, BRD Induction Kit, SFS Intake Hose, Hybrid FMIC, 800cc inj, 3" Miltek and standard ECU mapped by Bob Rawle and power figures from SRR. Predominantly road use, but is used for everything and anything, including public track days and competition use.
6) Stevesbluewrx - 482 bhp / 448 lbft - 2002 STi (EJ20) / MDX321T (BILLET T71) 3" RCM Exhaust (With Sports cat) / Vpower + 18% Meth / CAIK / SimTek/AlcaTek ecu / 2 way FPR with parrellel set up / Lateral 850cc injectors / Surrey Rolling Road / Jollygreenmonster ( Daily Driver)*
20) Scooby B - 430bhp / 398lbft / Bugeye sti prodrive / Sc42 / Perrin inlet & induction / RCM 800cc injectors / RCM headers / 3" miltek / alcatek ecu / Vpower or Tesco only / EngineTuner mapped by MJ / Weekend toy with some public track days thrown in [/B]
21) T20Driver - 426bhp, 391lbft, MY05 2.0 JDM STi, Billet LM420, Hybrid FMIC, BRD Induction, 800cc injectors, 3" Miltek decat, Bob Rawle map (Base map update only as Meggarom won't activate AVCS), V Power - daily driver
22) Paulo P (Paul), 421bhp, 360lbft, 2005 sti short motor, ported and polished sti 3 cylinder heads, MD321S turbo (hence the low torque due to lag on a 2 litre), nismo 740cc injectors, 76mm inlet under a much modified version 3 inlet manifold system, tubular headers, FMIC, AVCR, Power FC, Z32 MAF + a lot more!*
23) Blocks85, 412/412 on 20% Meth, 2.0 blob Sti, Japspeed ported headers, Japspeed de cat, Japspeed fmic, RAMAIR induction kit, 650 injectors, BIG D ported VF43, 91k miles. Mapped by Martyn j @ ENGINETUNER
24) chrispy200+, 410/410 @1.4bar on V power, v5 Type R with stock EJ257, MD555 76mm inlet, syvecs / Surrey Rolling Road,*
25) Jayallen - 404 bhp / 370 lbft @1.5bar /2002 STi (stock EG20) / Andy F TD05 20G / FMIC / RCM Cone Filter / Full De-catted 3" System / Surrey Rolling Road / Duncan Graham( Was a Daily Driver)
26) Turbotits - 401bhp /370 ft/lbs - 2002 STI, 106,000 miles / AFP 18g / vpower(?) + 20% meth / 650cc inj / lateral headers and up pipe, APS CAIK / Simtek mapped by JGM
27) Pez 397 bhp /420 lbft / 2007 2.5 Hawkeye Type-UK / Original vf43/ Hyperflow Monster front mount + intake relocated to inner wing / full miltek exhaust system with de-cats and headers / hayward+scott up pipe / forge 1 bar actuator+dv / standard injectors/ vpower only / S4U Rollers - ECUTek by Bob Rawle*
28) Smurfybhoy - 397bhp & 362ft/lbs – STI - Sc42 upgraded by Owen Developments, Gt-Spec Headers, Harvey Up-Pipe, 340 SWRD Pump, 800cc Injectors, Rcm Induction, HDI FMIC, 3" Full Decat,
37) EqualizerCS - 355 bhp / 362 lbft / MY03 STI EJ20 / VF35 / Standard Internals / Standard TMIC / Aerys 3" Turbo-Back (300 Cells Cat) / Green Performance Cotton Air Filter / Walbro 255 l/h / Ecutek / Fuel 98 Octane / (Daily Drive)
38) the shreksta - 354bhp / 365lbft 54 plate blobeye wrx, sti long engine including avcs heads but not running the avcs yet, vf35 turbo, advanced automotive modded 11mm oil pump, rcm water pump, 650cc injectors, oem recirc valve, sti tgv delete manifold, ngkpfr7b plugs, sti top mount intercooler, silicone intake hose, rcm340 pump, rcm induction kit, rcm headers with venturi up-pipe (all heat wrapped), japspeed full de-cat 3" downpipe (wrapped), 3" afterburner center section, afterburner raptor backbox, version 6 sti 5 speed close ratio box with stage 2 organic clutch,
mapped by duncan @ race dynamix on rcm rollers and open road map tweak
39) Ste333 - 352bhp / lbft TBC (I need to look at the graph), 54 plate Widetrack STI, TD05 16G *billet*, decat downpipe, 3 port solenoid, walbro 255 pump, PFR7B plugs. That aside all standard. Mapped at TDR by Mark, Vpower fuel. Daily driven.
40) Addi Monster - 352bhp 340lbft classic jdm impreza on standard box and lump, 16g fmic 440's with reg, GRP's rollers Dynamix map on simtek.
42) Kedlestone - 346.9 / 320 lbft Newage WRX, Standard EJ20, Standard Gearbox, VF34, STI TMIC, Full 2.5 Decat, 550cc Injectors, Walbro Fuel Pump, APS Cold Air Induction, Simtek ECU Mapped by Pat @ SC on V-Power only. Daily Drive.
43) Tidgy - 341.4 / 315 lbft, my99 uk turbo, ppg gearbox, vf34, front mount, decat, autronics ecu mapped by scoobyclinic on v power
44) scc28 - 341 bhp / 355 lb/ft, Forester XT 2005 55 EJ25, VF41- STI ic- Full decat and 2.5" back, v-power or tesco99, Powerstation Rolling Road
45)Psycho Sport - 335/333 2005 Newage WRX. Sc36 16g Turbo, JGM remap, sti injectors, sti intercooler, sports cat down pipe, 2.5 inch system to tailpipe, ported and heat wrapped down pipes, decat up pipe. Run on VPower. Daily Drive
46) mickywrx - 329.4/289lb/ft MY94 WRX Standard EJ20, standard ECU, Standard TD05, Standard 380cc injectors, V Power only, 1bar boost, couple of bolt on's, NOT remapped. Daily driven and it's had some 1/4 mile abuse.
47) Chet123 - 323 bhp/320 lb/ft @ 1.4 bar 04 newage STI, K&N Panel Filter, 3 Port Solenoid, 255 Walbro Fuel Pump, Ported OEM Headers, Harvey Smith slip jointed Up-pipe, Afterburner 2.5" turbo back exhaust system incl. DP, Racedynamix Remap - Standard internals 550 injectors, TMIC all on V-Power
48) Wayne STI - 309.7 bhp / 300.9 lb/ft @ 1.42 bar, 2008 STI (EJ25) dual AVCS / Andy F TD05-20g / 3" Miltek turbo back (sports cat downpipe) / Japspeed FMIC & Induction / Perrin silicone turbo inlet. Block never split standard everything else. V Power only racedynamix map / PJ Motorsports Dynopack hub dyno (daily driver)
08 May 2016, 09:48 AM
) engine has been running between 340 and 384 since November 2010 (has been at 384 for most of that time). Engine had an indicated 41k at the time. Still going strong all but 6yrs down the line, no issues.
