Are modded Scoobs worth more or less ??
17 January 2007, 12:50 PM
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A modified car does not mean the history is any less verifiable, usually people who modify properly are even more **** about documentation than those with std cars. My history folder contains receipts for work from specialists like Xtreme scoobies, API, BRD developments in addition to the usual servicing records. The key is to make sure that the work has been carried out by recognised experts who understand the car and have a track record of reliable upgrades.
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17 January 2007, 01:00 PM
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When I was looking for an impreza I wanted and bought a standard one.
But as soon as I realised how cheap it was to mod I made some changes.
If I could go back it time, I would have bought a modified one.
But as soon as I realised how cheap it was to mod I made some changes.
If I could go back it time, I would have bought a modified one.
17 January 2007, 01:17 PM
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Andy I don't think you could ever claim categorically that it would be as reliable as standard. The modified engine probably works harder and work=wear so it by default will have an increased probability of failure. However, nobody know exactly when an engine will fail. Some last 100k miles others 200k miles. I also find it very rare that 'wear' is the cause of engine failure - it's nearly always an ancilary component packing in (oil pump, maf sensor, for example) that would have went anyway. The other cause of engine failure and a far more serious consideration is incorrect fuel, oil or servicing.
I'd suggest the probability of an standard UK STI blowing up if its ran on 95 ron and serviced once ever 25k is far higher than a mildely modified one that is ran on v-power and serviced on time with interim oil changes.
You just have to balance up for your self logically and make a decision based on probability. I'd have no qualms whatsoever buying your car with 320bhp carried out by Andy F (aside from it being green
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In the many receipts for my own car I found countless receipts for octaine booster and regular services including ones that were not required. This gives me some peice of mind. I have NOTHING from the first 40k miles but it was rebuilt at 40k miles so I find history prior to that to be irrelevant. Furthermore, whilst there is no documentation logically I would conclude that the vast majority of people with a sub 40k miles Impreza would service it regularly
I'd suggest the probability of an standard UK STI blowing up if its ran on 95 ron and serviced once ever 25k is far higher than a mildely modified one that is ran on v-power and serviced on time with interim oil changes.
You just have to balance up for your self logically and make a decision based on probability. I'd have no qualms whatsoever buying your car with 320bhp carried out by Andy F (aside from it being green
)In the many receipts for my own car I found countless receipts for octaine booster and regular services including ones that were not required. This gives me some peice of mind. I have NOTHING from the first 40k miles but it was rebuilt at 40k miles so I find history prior to that to be irrelevant. Furthermore, whilst there is no documentation logically I would conclude that the vast majority of people with a sub 40k miles Impreza would service it regularly
17 January 2007, 01:22 PM
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Go for it Andy!!
If you're wanting gentle persuation, i'll take you for a wee blast in mine.
17 January 2007, 06:07 PM
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I personally would buy a modified Impreza every time.
Why?
I like modified cars; I have a 407 bhp road/race Sti v3, and spent £20K inc the car to get there.(I bought it standard 5 years ago)
I can buy right now 4 modified cars beyond my spec for around £14 to £17K and they are worth every penny.
Why?
If you highly mod your car yourself (me) the effort, time and work and the $$$ is very demanding.
A car done very well is so much better
The key to my argument is one done Well.
Once you know, you can list the right mods (for your chosen purpose) and search a car out with most/all of them
If you want a track day hero car you need Big Brakes for instance.
If a hillclimb/road car, good well maintained stock brakes are fine.
All second-hand cars are a risk unless you know the provenance from scratch and are lucky.
Why worry so much about it?
If it breaks fix it!
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Why?
I like modified cars; I have a 407 bhp road/race Sti v3, and spent £20K inc the car to get there.(I bought it standard 5 years ago)
I can buy right now 4 modified cars beyond my spec for around £14 to £17K and they are worth every penny.
Why?
If you highly mod your car yourself (me) the effort, time and work and the $$$ is very demanding.
A car done very well is so much better
The key to my argument is one done Well.
Once you know, you can list the right mods (for your chosen purpose) and search a car out with most/all of them
If you want a track day hero car you need Big Brakes for instance.
If a hillclimb/road car, good well maintained stock brakes are fine.
All second-hand cars are a risk unless you know the provenance from scratch and are lucky.
Why worry so much about it?
If it breaks fix it!
Graham
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17 January 2007, 06:36 PM
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Modded cars are worth half the value of un-modded cars.
Why? Simple really, who the hell wants to buy a car off a BoyRacer (even if you want to be a BoyRacer yourself!)? Answer = NoOne!!
Part of the fun of modding is doing it yourself and deciding what to do ... also the idea that the previous owner (on an un-modded car) didn't thrash the bollox off it, is appealing when buying.
You see a modified car and you KNOW that it has been thrashed to within an inch of its life and the life of that car can be measured in days .... not the years of a well treated un-modified example.
So, yes, they are worth less .... because noone wants them and quite rightly so!
Why? Simple really, who the hell wants to buy a car off a BoyRacer (even if you want to be a BoyRacer yourself!)? Answer = NoOne!!
Part of the fun of modding is doing it yourself and deciding what to do ... also the idea that the previous owner (on an un-modded car) didn't thrash the bollox off it, is appealing when buying.
You see a modified car and you KNOW that it has been thrashed to within an inch of its life and the life of that car can be measured in days .... not the years of a well treated un-modified example.
So, yes, they are worth less .... because noone wants them and quite rightly so!
Where exactly did you get these stats, did they come to you in your sleep or was it after you hit your head!
Yes! Modded cars can be seen as "undesirable" and this can affect after market values but it will not take 50% off the value of a car unless some plank has gone nuts with double sided tape, toilet rolls and egg cartons!!
My car is slightly modified and I have further mods planned, but it isnt screwed or thrashed and is unlikely to ever see a track so clearly you wouldnt KNOW weather it is near death or not. I have seen plenty of standard cars that have been killed by a lack of care and poor driving so it all depends on each individual car.
I have to admit that i was of the opinion that to buy a modded car was a bad idea, but after meeting many scooby owners i have seen that most of these cars are well maintained to the extreme and would seriously consider a car with mods in the future if it shows the correct history!!
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17 January 2007, 06:41 PM
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Like people have been saying i think it depends on the mods. Lets be honest 9times out of 10 when you buy a standard scooby after a couple of weeks your be desperate to unleash some of that noise so your going to shell out on a decent exhaust and filter etc.
l would be happy spending a couple of hundred more on a car with a good exhaust etc, knowing that if i bought a box standard car i would need to spend double doing it myself.
Saying that tho i would not be happy to spend more on a car that has been highly modded changing the turbo, boost, bodykit etc that just scares me off.
l would be happy spending a couple of hundred more on a car with a good exhaust etc, knowing that if i bought a box standard car i would need to spend double doing it myself.
Saying that tho i would not be happy to spend more on a car that has been highly modded changing the turbo, boost, bodykit etc that just scares me off.
17 January 2007, 07:29 PM
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Andy I don't think you could ever claim categorically that it would be as reliable as standard. The modified engine probably works harder and work=wear so it by default will have an increased probability of failure. However, nobody know exactly when an engine will fail. Some last 100k miles others 200k miles. I also find it very rare that 'wear' is the cause of engine failure - it's nearly always an ancilary component packing in (oil pump, maf sensor, for example) that would have went anyway. The other cause of engine failure and a far more serious consideration is incorrect fuel, oil or servicing.
I'd suggest the probability of an standard UK STI blowing up if its ran on 95 ron and serviced once ever 25k is far higher than a mildely modified one that is ran on v-power and serviced on time with interim oil changes.
You just have to balance up for your self logically and make a decision based on probability. I'd have no qualms whatsoever buying your car with 320bhp carried out by Andy F (aside from it being green)
In the many receipts for my own car I found countless receipts for octaine booster and regular services including ones that were not required. This gives me some peice of mind. I have NOTHING from the first 40k miles but it was rebuilt at 40k miles so I find history prior to that to be irrelevant. Furthermore, whilst there is no documentation logically I would conclude that the vast majority of people with a sub 40k miles Impreza would service it regularly
I'd suggest the probability of an standard UK STI blowing up if its ran on 95 ron and serviced once ever 25k is far higher than a mildely modified one that is ran on v-power and serviced on time with interim oil changes.
You just have to balance up for your self logically and make a decision based on probability. I'd have no qualms whatsoever buying your car with 320bhp carried out by Andy F (aside from it being green
)In the many receipts for my own car I found countless receipts for octaine booster and regular services including ones that were not required. This gives me some peice of mind. I have NOTHING from the first 40k miles but it was rebuilt at 40k miles so I find history prior to that to be irrelevant. Furthermore, whilst there is no documentation logically I would conclude that the vast majority of people with a sub 40k miles Impreza would service it regularly
Cheers for your thoughts Kenny.
PS What's wrong with green ?
17 January 2007, 07:31 PM
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17 January 2007, 08:01 PM
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Visit a seller who talks of ScoobyNet and re-maps and CockLinks and 550BHP and 0-60 in 2 seconds and if he is stood there with baseball cap on the wrong way round, is 20 something and all the 7 year old bits on the car are shiny and new ................ well, you would know - wouldn't you??
Modified sheds (and thats what they are, SHEDS!!) are not worth diddly squat!! I was chatting to the salesman at my local Subaru Main Dealer about Part Exchanges ..... he and I had a good old laugh at the lads who come in with their big exhausts, re-maps, gauges, cocklinks, dump valves looking for decent money - he said that they get all disappointed when he tells them that he doesn't want them IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!
Now, he said, the one owner STANDARD UK car ........ now, thats worth some real money!!
18 January 2007, 09:16 AM
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LOL, I've not taken any yet - just the ones of the previous owner that are kicking around on the site. I've not even washed it once since I got it - really don't see the point at this time of year
18 January 2007, 09:23 AM
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It took me along time to mod my car away from the standard PPP upgrade by prodrive.
In the end I decided to buy a very low mileage standard STI with only 17k on the clock. (53 plate a year ago) and then take it to TSL to get the TSL333 upgrade. Apart from changing the stereo, thats the only modifications to the vehicle.
It has only done 24k now because I don't bother driving it to work as work is in an area with a high crime rate.
I personally think having such an upgrade won't be detrimental to the depreciation of the vehicle. I would look to sell the vehicle at a similar value to an STIPPP with the same sort of age.
I have all receipts for everything done.
In the end I decided to buy a very low mileage standard STI with only 17k on the clock. (53 plate a year ago) and then take it to TSL to get the TSL333 upgrade. Apart from changing the stereo, thats the only modifications to the vehicle.
It has only done 24k now because I don't bother driving it to work as work is in an area with a high crime rate.
I personally think having such an upgrade won't be detrimental to the depreciation of the vehicle. I would look to sell the vehicle at a similar value to an STIPPP with the same sort of age.
I have all receipts for everything done.
18 January 2007, 12:41 PM
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18 January 2007, 12:55 PM
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LOL, you are right. Its a classic shape Impreza in black with black rear tints and a heefing big exhaust hanging out the back. I certainly don't feel as classy as I did in the S2000 but its fast and makes me laugh so it'll have to do for now
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The only mod that won't lose cosher is PPP simply because it retains the waranty, even if the car was out of the waranty period it would still be worth more because as far as i am aware it's the only mod recognised by Scoobaru uk. Fraid Lewis is right. Don't matter how much has been spent, a sensible dealer would'nt invite the hassle.
19 January 2007, 12:27 AM
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And to think you imagined an orange car was classy.
19 January 2007, 01:00 AM
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depends on the mods.
PROS:
nice wheels will save me buying some.
clear lights will save me doing it.
if someones already put leather in, if it wasn't standard I'd see that as a plus as it's wipe clean (good with kids fruit juice spills etc)
CONS:
engine mods are a unknown
exhaust mods can be too loud
chips can be off putting as engine mods
neons should be worth the death penalty
all other ugly mods or badly painted can cost oney to put right
PROS:
nice wheels will save me buying some.
clear lights will save me doing it.
if someones already put leather in, if it wasn't standard I'd see that as a plus as it's wipe clean (good with kids fruit juice spills etc)
CONS:
engine mods are a unknown
exhaust mods can be too loud
chips can be off putting as engine mods
neons should be worth the death penalty
all other ugly mods or badly painted can cost oney to put right
19 January 2007, 08:02 AM
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It all depends (as it's been said) on the market you're selling to.
If someone out there is looking for a well modded car because they know it does cost serious money to get big, usable power out of a Subaru and they know thats what they'll want in the long run, then of course you will sell it.
The problem is liquidity....
If you had the only Subaru out there and there weren't thousands then you'd get whatever you wanted as you're the market maker. This, sadly, isn't the case but still there is a market (as i've stated above) for modded cars.......it's just making sure you did it properly along the way and it's not a halfrauds job.
I have a highly modified Subaru and like NS04 said, have all the "****" paperwork for every little thing.
I've got a buyer and am going to do the deal this weekend.....
You seem to get two types of people......the ones that always want to stay standard as they are too affraid as to what will happen if they try and sell it. CARS LOOSE MONEY full stop. So why not have some fun along the way and keep in mind there is a market for modified cars.....
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If someone out there is looking for a well modded car because they know it does cost serious money to get big, usable power out of a Subaru and they know thats what they'll want in the long run, then of course you will sell it.
The problem is liquidity....
If you had the only Subaru out there and there weren't thousands then you'd get whatever you wanted as you're the market maker. This, sadly, isn't the case but still there is a market (as i've stated above) for modded cars.......it's just making sure you did it properly along the way and it's not a halfrauds job.
I have a highly modified Subaru and like NS04 said, have all the "****" paperwork for every little thing.
I've got a buyer and am going to do the deal this weekend.....
You seem to get two types of people......the ones that always want to stay standard as they are too affraid as to what will happen if they try and sell it. CARS LOOSE MONEY full stop. So why not have some fun along the way and keep in mind there is a market for modified cars.....
GGG
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