Saxo VTS vs UK Turbo Impreza??
07 February 2006, 03:17 PM
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i shouldent have read it
, but a stok vts is only 110bhp. don up may be it'll will on pull off. this is against a stok scooby too, as soon as a scoobys turbo kicks in. by by vts. but spend the same time on a scoob, zorst ect. who are thay kidding, wish i never read the thing now
, off thead now
, but a stok vts is only 110bhp. don up may be it'll will on pull off. this is against a stok scooby too, as soon as a scoobys turbo kicks in. by by vts. but spend the same time on a scoob, zorst ect. who are thay kidding, wish i never read the thing now , off thead now
07 February 2006, 03:22 PM
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Mk 2 saxos have 130bhp, you would be suprised at the pace of these. What quarter mile time does a uk scoob do?? A 160ish bhp saxo will be mid 14's which must be close to a scoob.
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07 February 2006, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by deuchars
Mk 2 saxos have 130bhp, you would be suprised at the pace of these. What quarter mile time does a uk scoob do?? A 160ish bhp saxo will be mid 14's which must be close to a scoob.
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07 February 2006, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Clare85
he will be able to sit with mine & the bf's UK Turbo Impreza with full stainless exh system, decat, induction kit, dump valve.
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07 February 2006, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
I'm not getting involved in the whole what's faster debate, but out of curiosity can you reall extract 30 etra bhp just by changing the exhaust on a naturally aspirated saxo?
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LOL, my thoughts exactly, an exhaust an induction kit might get 1-5 bhp if that.
I thought that the saxo's were approx 125bhp at the fly which is why I wondered what the previous chap did to get 130 at the wheels.
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07 February 2006, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
It sounds like some people need to find themselves girlfriends.
Bloody hell. Cant afford to run a scoob and a girlfriend. Not made of money.
07 February 2006, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
Clare, loose the induction kit and dump valve- pointless and potentially harmful additions. You'd be better served getting a remap to exploit your decat exhaust - should see you anywhere between the 260-280bhp mark.
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Get a EcuTek remap, and the saxo would feel like he left his handbrake on.
07 February 2006, 03:53 PM
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Firstly it will take a hell of a lot more than an exhaust, air filter and FSE power boost valve to return 160bhp on a VTS engine.
I spent several thousand tunning my 106 Dimma which had the VTS engine. I had forged pistons (high comp), light & balance, gas flowed head, kent PT52 cams, 4 branch manifold etc and all I ever got was 151bhp @ fly.
Before putting the Dimma wide arch kit, 18" wheels (why-o-why) my ickle 106 could keep on the bumper of a standard UK Impreza, maybe even push it along a little.... infact one pulled in and let me past on day
A standard UK Turbo at 215bhp with weight of 1450kg is 148bhp per ton
A modded 106 GTi at 151bhp with weight of 950kg is 158bhp per ton
106 GTi has transmission loss of 23%
UK Turbo has transmission loss of 30%
The truth hurts!
I spent several thousand tunning my 106 Dimma which had the VTS engine. I had forged pistons (high comp), light & balance, gas flowed head, kent PT52 cams, 4 branch manifold etc and all I ever got was 151bhp @ fly.
Before putting the Dimma wide arch kit, 18" wheels (why-o-why) my ickle 106 could keep on the bumper of a standard UK Impreza, maybe even push it along a little.... infact one pulled in and let me past on day
A standard UK Turbo at 215bhp with weight of 1450kg is 148bhp per ton
A modded 106 GTi at 151bhp with weight of 950kg is 158bhp per ton
106 GTi has transmission loss of 23%
UK Turbo has transmission loss of 30%
The truth hurts!
07 February 2006, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Nixon
Firstly it will take a hell of a lot more than an exhaust, air filter and FSE power boost valve to return 160bhp on a VTS engine.
I spent several thousand tunning my 106 Dimma which had the VTS engine. I had forged pistons (high comp), light & balance, gas flowed head, kent PT52 cams, 4 branch manifold etc and all I ever got was 151bhp @ fly.
Before putting the Dimma wide arch kit, 18" wheels (why-o-why) my ickle 106 could keep on the bumper of a standard UK Impreza, maybe even push it along a little.... infact one pulled in and let me past on day
A standard UK Turbo at 215bhp with weight of 1450kg is 148bhp per ton
A modded 106 GTi at 151bhp with weight of 950kg is 158bhp per ton
106 GTi has transmission loss of 23%
UK Turbo has transmission loss of 30%
The truth hurts!
I spent several thousand tunning my 106 Dimma which had the VTS engine. I had forged pistons (high comp), light & balance, gas flowed head, kent PT52 cams, 4 branch manifold etc and all I ever got was 151bhp @ fly.
Before putting the Dimma wide arch kit, 18" wheels (why-o-why) my ickle 106 could keep on the bumper of a standard UK Impreza, maybe even push it along a little.... infact one pulled in and let me past on day
A standard UK Turbo at 215bhp with weight of 1450kg is 148bhp per ton
A modded 106 GTi at 151bhp with weight of 950kg is 158bhp per ton
106 GTi has transmission loss of 23%
UK Turbo has transmission loss of 30%
The truth hurts!
Are we talking classic scoob or newage? Think the classics weigh slightly less than the bug, blob and hawkeyes so probably have a slightly better power to weight ratio than quoted. Even still a 150bhp light hot hatch will still keep with a standard scoob depending on conditions.
I remember having an excellent blast with a clio ***** in my old uk classic many moons ago on straights and twisties and he was up my **** the entire time (oooh er
)- happy days 
07 February 2006, 04:00 PM
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My STi-8 is running 380/380 now and a little Mk3 Clio was giving me some cheek the other morning, yes I pulled away is good fasion but **** me was that quick.... I'm sure I could here some cheeky turbo chatter from under his hood though!
07 February 2006, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Nixon
Firstly it will take a hell of a lot more than an exhaust, air filter and FSE power boost valve to return 160bhp on a VTS engine.
I spent several thousand tunning my 106 Dimma which had the VTS engine. I had forged pistons (high comp), light & balance, gas flowed head, kent PT52 cams, 4 branch manifold etc and all I ever got was 151bhp @ fly.
Before putting the Dimma wide arch kit, 18" wheels (why-o-why) my ickle 106 could keep on the bumper of a standard UK Impreza, maybe even push it along a little.... infact one pulled in and let me past on day
A standard WRX at 215bhp with weight of 1450kg is 148bhp per ton
A modded 106 GTi at 151bhp with weight of 950kg is 158bhp per ton
106 GTi has transmission loss of 23%
UK Turbo has transmission loss of 30%
The truth hurts!
I spent several thousand tunning my 106 Dimma which had the VTS engine. I had forged pistons (high comp), light & balance, gas flowed head, kent PT52 cams, 4 branch manifold etc and all I ever got was 151bhp @ fly.
Before putting the Dimma wide arch kit, 18" wheels (why-o-why) my ickle 106 could keep on the bumper of a standard UK Impreza, maybe even push it along a little.... infact one pulled in and let me past on day
A standard WRX at 215bhp with weight of 1450kg is 148bhp per ton
A modded 106 GTi at 151bhp with weight of 950kg is 158bhp per ton
106 GTi has transmission loss of 23%
UK Turbo has transmission loss of 30%
The truth hurts!
A Classic has 177bhp/ton as standard.
Considerably over 200+bhp per ton possible with an exhaust and remap. Agree with you completely that getting 30bhp extra out of a saxo will cost a lot more than just an exhaust- that owner is kidding himself.
Standing qtr mile for a UK turbo running 260bhp+ should be in the high 12s then I believe. 0-60 it would destroy the Saxo, it would never recover the deficit......not without rather more than 160bhp
The truth will set you free!
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07 February 2006, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BLACK V5
A classic uk turbo is 1270kg.
Sti's around that figure though IIRC.
07 February 2006, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Nixon
Firstly it will take a hell of a lot more than an exhaust, air filter and FSE power boost valve to return 160bhp on a VTS engine.
I spent several thousand tunning my 106 Dimma which had the VTS engine. I had forged pistons (high comp), light & balance, gas flowed head, kent PT52 cams, 4 branch manifold etc and all I ever got was 151bhp @ fly.
Before putting the Dimma wide arch kit, 18" wheels (why-o-why) my ickle 106 could keep on the bumper of a standard UK Impreza, maybe even push it along a little.... infact one pulled in and let me past on day
A standard UK Turbo at 215bhp with weight of 1450kg is 148bhp per ton
A modded 106 GTi at 151bhp with weight of 950kg is 158bhp per ton
106 GTi has transmission loss of 23%
UK Turbo has transmission loss of 30%
The truth hurts!
I spent several thousand tunning my 106 Dimma which had the VTS engine. I had forged pistons (high comp), light & balance, gas flowed head, kent PT52 cams, 4 branch manifold etc and all I ever got was 151bhp @ fly.
Before putting the Dimma wide arch kit, 18" wheels (why-o-why) my ickle 106 could keep on the bumper of a standard UK Impreza, maybe even push it along a little.... infact one pulled in and let me past on day
A standard UK Turbo at 215bhp with weight of 1450kg is 148bhp per ton
A modded 106 GTi at 151bhp with weight of 950kg is 158bhp per ton
106 GTi has transmission loss of 23%
UK Turbo has transmission loss of 30%
The truth hurts!
Never knew you would lose 23% in a 2WD car.
07 February 2006, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
1235kgs for a Uk turbo mate, I believe Sti's around that figure though IIRC.
Sti's around that figure though IIRC.
07 February 2006, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BLACK V5
1235 is more like a jdm with there alloy bits and bobs.
07 February 2006, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BLACK V5
Never knew you would lose 23% in a 2WD car.
07 February 2006, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by matchmaker
My remapped Octavia vRS puts out 180 bhp at wheels and 231 bhp at flywheel which is 21.6% loss
Looks good in black too!NS04
07 February 2006, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
My MY99 handbook says 1235 (before I get in it!!!!)
Knew it was faster than a saxo.
07 February 2006, 04:25 PM
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Exactly...Ive got a vtr saxo which I use as a runabout aswell as having the scooby!
So much ****e being spouted on that thread it is unreal!
So much ****e being spouted on that thread it is unreal!
07 February 2006, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BLACK V5
Knew it was faster than a saxo.
30bhp from an exhaust on a saxo my ****! He's obviously high on McDs!!!!
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07 February 2006, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
Nah mate, you'd struggle to outdrag a milkfloat in that!!! You wouldn't see which way the Saxo went!!
30bhp from an exhaust on a saxo my ****! He's obviously high on McDs!!!!
Ns04
30bhp from an exhaust on a saxo my ****! He's obviously high on McDs!!!!
Ns04
07 February 2006, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BLACK V5
No doubt milkfloat would do me in the end. His batteries would last longer than my tank of fuel.
That's why Subaru are looking into electric hybrids for the next model!!
FINALLY SCOOBY OWNERS CAN OUTDRAG A MILKFLOAT!!!!
If you can't beat em....
07 February 2006, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
Nah mate, you'd struggle to outdrag a milkfloat in that!!! You wouldn't see which way the Saxo went!!
30bhp from an exhaust on a saxo my ****! He's obviously high on McDs!!!!
Ns04
30bhp from an exhaust on a saxo my ****! He's obviously high on McDs!!!!
Ns04
07 February 2006, 04:41 PM
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For all those textbook racers out there:
4WD cars: http://www.letstorquebhp.com/4wd.asp?sort=Make
2WD cars: http://www.letstorquebhp.com/fwd.asp?sort=Make
Of particular interest to "real-world" drivers should be the 0-100 or 60-100 times which are all "sortable" by clicking on the column title.
Compare and enjoy.
Textbook being much safer than street racing obviously
Rich
4WD cars: http://www.letstorquebhp.com/4wd.asp?sort=Make
2WD cars: http://www.letstorquebhp.com/fwd.asp?sort=Make
Of particular interest to "real-world" drivers should be the 0-100 or 60-100 times which are all "sortable" by clicking on the column title.
Compare and enjoy.
Textbook being much safer than street racing obviously
Rich
07 February 2006, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthDownsScooby
For all those textbook racers out there:
4WD cars: http://www.letstorquebhp.com/4wd.asp?sort=Make
2WD cars: http://www.letstorquebhp.com/fwd.asp?sort=Make
Rich
4WD cars: http://www.letstorquebhp.com/4wd.asp?sort=Make
2WD cars: http://www.letstorquebhp.com/fwd.asp?sort=Make
Rich
