ChriSTi

was looking through some threads and someone mentioned a T20 was quicker than a standard PPP, what is a T20 ???

corradoboy

It's a JDM STi supplied by Litchfield Imports, but with a bespoke Milltek exhaust system, AST coilover suspension system and the full Whiteline catalogue of geometry mods. Basically all the best bits of the Type 25, but with a JDM 2.0 l. 315bhp and similar torque through equal length headers and a twin scroll.

Just spent all day in my mates as we went down for his 1k service at Powerstation today. Stunning car, and so was the T25 that Iain let me take for a spin (sorry for the brown trouser overtaking move ).

rizzy

www.litimports.co.uk t20 is one of mr litchfields jdm impreza with a ecu remap and a exhuast....much better then the ppp

ChriSTi

Thanks for the replies lads, how much do these go for ???, was gonna buy a new blob eye for £25000 with PPP, should I have a word with litchfields first then lol...???I'm really worried that you dont get a warranty with these, should I be ???

Alan C

An Iain Litchfield Imported JDM STI with specially selected performance and handling mods fitted at Powerstation.. If done fully, it's effectively a T25 without the 2.5 Ltr lump.. (T standing for Type and 20 for the 2.0 Ltr)

There's about 10 on the road, so they're quite rare..

Here's mine..

Ecu Tek'd JDM STI9
Spec C Oil Cooler
Spec C Oil Pump
Spec C Fuel pump
Miltek Exhaust

T25 Handling Kit inc:
AST Adjustable suspension
Anti lift kit
Drop links
Whiteline ARB's back and front.
Braided hoses

Arriving shortly: Spec C carbon rear spoiler and T20 Mats

The T20 logos you see on the side are now on the front fog covers..

Visit Litchfields JDM page (bottom is the Type 20 info) for more info..






Got loads of replies as I was typing this!!

As Corradoboy says, we went for my first service today... MUCH better over 4k now

£25k should get you something similar to the above car.. IMHO this waaaaay better than a UK car with PPP... In T25 guise it came second in Autocar's 'Best Drivers Car of the year' in 2004.. Speaks for itself..

Check out insurance as these are loaded for being a JDM AND modified..

Iain does do his own warranty, but it depend upon the body, engine age combo as they can both come different if they are built to spec from JDM's or T25's in stock..

Any details?? Happy to help..

ChriSTi

oh ***** i'm reallly confused now, was going up the uk spec route cos the wifes' in the forces and can't take it for granted getting a posting where they'll service an import. I'm quite lucky where I am cos the scooby garage is only 20 mins away and he does service imports. What bhp are theses things by the way, i have a version 6 classic thats up for sale on here, thats about 320bhp, what will theses things (T20) go up to ??
.what sort of price am i looking at brand new, I would also like something around the 320bhp as thats what im used to, what will i need to do to get that sort of bhp. as i said ive got ab out 25k ??................gotta get rid of my version 6 classic though, does he do p/ex lol

Alan C

First thing is, sevicing can be done by any VAT registered garage to keep any warranty in tact.. Subaru dealers are unlikely to touch it (as with any import), so your specialist is your best best.. or someone you trust who knows what they're doing..

The Engine is a JDM Ecu Tek'd unit with twin Scroll and ELH's, so should pull 330-340 in T20 trim. Mine was down on this today at 315 with 312 Ft Lbs as max figures.. but it did have a very high intake temp of 27.5 degrees (I've opened a thread asking what this type of temp will do to the figures)...

I'm not a BHP nut.. I don't drag or launch into 0-60's.. I go for driveability, which is what the T20/T25 is all about.. and (IMO) you'll be hard pushed to find a sweeter handling Scoob shaped motor..
Where are you located?

westy04

How do the T20 or T25's respond on the UK's sh*tty roads. It's just that I really fancy a Type 25, but what worries my wife is that when we test drove a UK STI, she felt it was too harsh and would rattle our 22 month old kid to death.
My brother in law has a WR1 and that feels a little better.

Kevin

Dazza's-STi

There's a supprise

XRS

Mine is smootheness personified It has the AST coilovers with lots of adjustment to suit what you want to do. Plus all the other suspension mods you could want.

Best get yourself over to Tewkesbury and find out for yourself.

Alan C

I've driven a WR1, a lowered and Eibach sprung UK STI (Dazza's-STI now up for sale ) and can directly compare them with mine. The WR1 did feel more compliant and not as better sprung as Dazza's which has the (to me) proper setup. This gives the car a much more positive turn in and road feel where you can better feel what the car is doing.. But this is compromised with a little more crashiness if you hit a biggish hole.

The T20/T25 combo has AST adjustable suspension where you can adjust the firmness from 4 adjustment *****. Two just behind the backseat and two on top of the suspension mounts under the bonnet (I'll post pics later). This allows you to simply dial in what you want very easily.. If you're off for a swift run, then knock it up a couple of notches.. Just a simple click.. if you have the mother in law in then knock it down to nice and soft.. takes 1 minute.. that simple..

I've not played with mine yet as I only got the car back yesterday that will now allow me to play, but I intend to try all of the 9 settings....

The other cars are fixed.. no adjustment unless you change springs and dampers..

ChriSTi

I live in Chippenham wiltshire buddy, thanx for the help, how much are these JDM or t20, ive got about 25k to play with if i sell my classic and some money put away ???

ChriSTi

Chippenham in wiltshire, just off the m4 . where are litchfiellds

corradoboy

www.litchfieldimports.co.uk

Tewkesbury, just off J.9 M5, same building as http://www.powerstation.org.uk/

Alan C

Chris.. It really depends on what your T20 to look/drive like (there are options you can have) and how old you want the car to be? But, as I've said, £25k will get you a damn fine motor.. Just watch for the insurance..

Best people to talk pennies is with Iain or Tim on 01684 850999 just say you've been talking to me (It won't get you a better deal, but it might get me a free 'something' )

I'm in Yorkshire, so a quick meet is out of the question....

ChriSTi

excuse the dumb q's, but Is a JDM the same as A Jap import then, god it was much easier 5 years ago when i bought my v6 classic, it was either a WRX, or a WRX STI, also, how much money would i save compared to a scooby garage selling type uk and the like.

AndyC_772

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That's exactly what it is - JDM = Japanese Domestic Market.

The two models available are the STI and the STI Spec C, with a few minor variations of each. It used to be the case that the Spec C had a significantly different chassis with a longer wheelbase than other models, but from MY05 on that's no longer the case - the Spec C geometry has been adopted across the range. So, both get the pin-sharp handling, DCCD-A, yaw sensor and quick steering rack.

The difference now is that the STI has all the toys and soundproofing, while the Spec C is about 100kg lighter and gets a roller bearing turbo, uprated fuel pump and oil cooler and a larger I/C water spray tank. These make the Spec C a better bet for track days, but for road use I chose the STI. Both develop the same power.

I have the suspension & handling pack from the T20/T25 but not the exhaust; this saves a wedge of cash (the full Milltek exhaust is well over £1000) and has left me with a (fairly) quiet, refined motor that still has pin-sharp handling and somewhere around 300bhp. In due course I may fork out for the full T25 pack, but for now it's just the upgrade I was looking for after my old car (UK MY00/PPP).

ChriSTi

, so if I ring litchfields up, and tell them roughly what i want , they'll steer me in the right direction, basically, i want an Sti, thats gonna give me about the 320 ish BHP of my version 6 classic, is litchfields one of the better importers ??, lastely,,(for now), and for the benefit of the missus, whats the advantages of having a jdm over a sti type uk ????, remember, you've gotta convince the missus, lol

Cheers to alan c, and andy c and dazza's also helped me out,ta to corridor boy aswell, 25k is a lot of money and i want to get it right, uk or jdm ???

Alan C

In basic form it's about £5k more for the Jap model with DCCD, larger twin scroll turbo and Equal length headers.. You get the flash sweeping dials at startup, rear wiper, Auto & manual IC spray plus some other slight mods to the suspension...
Visit Iains site.. there's everything there you need to know about models and options etc.. He's got a good second hand stock of various models..

BTW, my AST top mount adjusters..

Engine bay and rear seat.. you can just make them out at far left and right.. (my 12 year old lad and camera )

Alan C

Iain or Tim will definitely help.. I can't compare them to others as I've only dealt with Iain.. but they were brilliant and did everything they could to help.. Including driving from Gloucester to Wakefield at 5am with my car on a trailer, so that I could get my car before work.. They also wouldn't let me take my newly painted boot lid and Carbon rear wing away because of a few paint flaws that I may have missed....

Speaks for itself and I'd highly recommend them without hesitation.

JDM or UK? I'd go for the JDM version as it's a better car and can be upgraded in one go or bit by bit to a T20/T25.

JDM's do have two negatives.. Insurance (loaded) & Servicing (UK dealers will probably not touch you - but this is not bad thing with some dealers I know!!)

But they are rarer and a better drive...

AndyC_772

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Just to add: those adjusters signify the AST dampers that Powerstation fit, usually as part of the complete T20/T25 handling pack which also includes Whiteline anti-roll bars front and rear and an anti-lift kit. I was in there yesterday having my car upgraded to the latest version (hi guys, I was the slightly bored looking guy with the long hair in PS's waiting room!), and it's totally transformed both the ride and handling from rock hard and twitchy, to smooth, comfortable and precise.

ChriSTI: You could do a lot worse than to give Iain a call, he certainly knows his stuff. I bought a new MY05 car from him last year.

corradoboy

Hello Andy. Sorry we didn't chat, but we were busy blagging test drives and negotiating spoilers with Iain We were also keen to get home after waiting ages for the dyno to come free. It was too nice to wait in that room, there was sunshine outside you know

Alan C

Hi Andy! Yep, remember you sat there.. we were a little rude in not introducing ourselves but Tim had just got back from lunch so we went to bug him.. as you probably heard..

Also like to add that they are height adjustable (there was a nice model on the board outside the room...) but it needs the wheels off and some minor tools.. Not sure about rebound etc (unless the large screw thread under the springs is for something else???) There is a resevoir, but I'm not sure if it's on this model. Andy?

Bit dumb really.. I should have asked..! I will if you can't answer..

AndyC_772

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Dunno, sorry guys - I can't see much without pulling the car to bits, and I think that's been done enough times already. I was one of the first to have the AST kit fitted to an '05 car, and there has been quite a lot of development work done since then. I now have the third and (probably) final setup and, remote reservoirs or not, it's great. In theory I can't see any reason why it shouldn't be possible to fit a motorised controller like Tein do for theirs, though I'm not aware of anyone that makes one to fit the AST kit.

Tim hadn't come back from lunch BTW - he'd come back from taking me out in a Type 25

Alan C

Was it Bicep? Dave had already warmed that up for you.. Nice chap..

Nice 'lunch' if you can get it! Mines usually an Apple and some dodgy sandwich in the canteen!

AndyC_772

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Can't remember to be honest - I'd been out in a T25 before, so I know what they're like, I was just checking out the latest version of the AST suspension before the installation was complete on my own car. It's anything but slow, though!

Alan C

I believe the one on the right is mine..



Quote from the AST site.. Sport Line 1..

'Sport-Line are mono-tube high-pressure, coil-over shock absorbers. Damping force on rebound and compression is adjustable in 12 positions. These shock absorbers are adjustable to several heights. Sport-Line shocks can be rebuilt and maintained. They guarantee a comfortable ride and are equipped with adjustable aluminium anodised spring seat.'

corradoboy

I may be wrong Al, but I would have thought the one on the right is on your rears and the one on the left is on your fronts

XRS

I have to agree with the servicing point, but it's easily overcome.

Disagree about insurance though. My insurers knew exactly what the Type 25 was and my additional premium (including leather and air box ) was £15 for 8 months - just over £600 in total.

westy04

Who was that XRS if you don't mind me asking. Thanks for the photos also. I think i'm going to have to have a test drive with the wife. I'll get Iain to wind the suspension down to the softest setting to increase the chances of getting the car.