Accident... What do you think ??
21 September 2001, 08:33 PM
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I was unfortunate enough last friday to have a bump in my Scooby, I was reversing off my driveway and the person who lives opposite me had parked directly opposite my driveway.
I had passengers in the car and my rear view mirror had my mates head obscuring my view. I reversed back and looked in my side mirror and saw nothing. I went further back and I heard someone shout "Watch that car!!"..
Crunch... Too late, I had put my rear left corner into his passenger door. The Scooby's fine, just a bit of paint missing off the bumper and a new light cluster required which I managed to aquire for £0.
I went and told the guy that I'd bumped his car and he wasn't too pleased understandable. I swapped insurance details and went on my way.
Later that day I phoned my insurers to report the incident and they took all the details and sent me out a Claim Form. I was filling it in when a friend of mine who's a policeman said "Make sure you write down that the vehicle you hit was illegally parked"
The vehicle was parked with 2 wheels on the pavement and 2 wheels on the road, and in the highway code it states
<B>218. DO NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs, the visually impaired and people with prams or pushchairs.</B>
So basically he was parked illegaly and I wonder if my insurance company will pick up on this and make him liable for the damage. ??
O.M.
I had passengers in the car and my rear view mirror had my mates head obscuring my view. I reversed back and looked in my side mirror and saw nothing. I went further back and I heard someone shout "Watch that car!!"..
Crunch... Too late, I had put my rear left corner into his passenger door. The Scooby's fine, just a bit of paint missing off the bumper and a new light cluster required which I managed to aquire for £0.
I went and told the guy that I'd bumped his car and he wasn't too pleased understandable. I swapped insurance details and went on my way.
Later that day I phoned my insurers to report the incident and they took all the details and sent me out a Claim Form. I was filling it in when a friend of mine who's a policeman said "Make sure you write down that the vehicle you hit was illegally parked"
The vehicle was parked with 2 wheels on the pavement and 2 wheels on the road, and in the highway code it states
<B>218. DO NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs, the visually impaired and people with prams or pushchairs.</B>
So basically he was parked illegaly and I wonder if my insurance company will pick up on this and make him liable for the damage. ??
O.M.
21 September 2001, 08:40 PM
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I hit a car illegally parked a few years ago, I was moving round some very narrow one-way streets in a transit minibus, a corsa was illegally parked right at a corner and when trying to move around it I clipped the rear of the corsa, the owner of the car simply had parked too close to the corner and hadn't left enough room. I called the police as I couldn't find the owner and they basically said tough you hit it, so its you fault.... (that said I have found from bitter experience that non traffic branch members of the RUC know absolutely nothing about traffic law)
Just my 2penneth..
Andy
Just my 2penneth..
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21 September 2001, 08:41 PM
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As far as I know, The Highway Code is just that, a code. It is not a Road Traffic Act, not sure whether he was illegally parked - you would need witnesses/proof of the cars position.
Hitting a stationary, empty, car usually means you are liable, sorry.
Pete
Hitting a stationary, empty, car usually means you are liable, sorry.
Pete
21 September 2001, 10:44 PM
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Okay, I am confused.
If it is just a code how come you can get a fixed penalty ticket for having two wheels on the pavement. In my road there are no yellow lines but you can still be ticketed for having wheels on the pavement.
Mmmmmmmmmmm.........
Andy.
If it is just a code how come you can get a fixed penalty ticket for having two wheels on the pavement. In my road there are no yellow lines but you can still be ticketed for having wheels on the pavement.
Mmmmmmmmmmm.........
Andy.
on this one. Sorry.
21 September 2001, 10:49 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by tarmacterrorist:
<B>Okay, I am confused.
If it is just a code how come you can get a fixed penalty ticket for having two wheels on the pavement. In my road there are no yellow lines but you can still be ticketed for having wheels on the pavement.
Mmmmmmmmmmm.........
Andy.[/quote]
Thats because you are getting a ticket for obstruction - NOT because you contravened page 8 sub-section 11.b of the highway code (or whatever it is!
)
Pete
<B>Okay, I am confused.
If it is just a code how come you can get a fixed penalty ticket for having two wheels on the pavement. In my road there are no yellow lines but you can still be ticketed for having wheels on the pavement.
Mmmmmmmmmmm.........
Andy.[/quote]
Thats because you are getting a ticket for obstruction - NOT because you contravened page 8 sub-section 11.b of the highway code (or whatever it is!
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21 September 2001, 10:52 PM
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I'm assuming that if he was parked with all four wheels on the road you'd have hit him harder? I can't see the insurance passing blame on to your neighbour entirely and at worst you're likely to affect two sets of no claims, drag the claim out and offend and possibly incriminate someone you have to live opposite to.
As posted, its unlikely to not be liable in such an accident even in light of the technicalities. Sorry.
As posted, its unlikely to not be liable in such an accident even in light of the technicalities. Sorry.
21 September 2001, 10:55 PM
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O.M.
The legal stuff in the Highway Code includes "MUST NOT" in red text. Stuff with "DO NOT" is a guide and not necessarily the law (although it can be a contributary factor).
Did the pavement in question have a dropped kerb? I think that it may be illegal (or at least very naughty) to mount a full kerb.
mb
p.s. I am _currently_ parked with two wheels on the pavement, but over a dropped kerb and with four feet of clearance on the path.
The legal stuff in the Highway Code includes "MUST NOT" in red text. Stuff with "DO NOT" is a guide and not necessarily the law (although it can be a contributary factor).
Did the pavement in question have a dropped kerb? I think that it may be illegal (or at least very naughty) to mount a full kerb.
mb
p.s. I am _currently_ parked with two wheels on the pavement, but over a dropped kerb and with four feet of clearance on the path.
21 September 2001, 10:58 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by pslewis:
<B>Xmas and DocJock - Careful now!!
I NEED you two to keep me going!!
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Careful Mr Lewis Sir, you almost displayed another emotion other than rampant cynicism
(and yes I know I've probably spelt it wrong Sir)
<B>Xmas and DocJock - Careful now!!
I NEED you two to keep me going!!
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Careful Mr Lewis Sir, you almost displayed another emotion other than rampant cynicism
(and yes I know I've probably spelt it wrong Sir)
21 September 2001, 11:08 PM
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Christmas,
are you getting problems with caching/posting?
For the last few days, when i post a reply it doesn't appear (to me) for ages, despite refresh, shift-refresh or ctrl-refresh.
Is this a BBS problem, or my ISP? What are your symptoms>
mb
are you getting problems with caching/posting?
For the last few days, when i post a reply it doesn't appear (to me) for ages, despite refresh, shift-refresh or ctrl-refresh.
Is this a BBS problem, or my ISP? What are your symptoms>
mb
21 September 2001, 11:15 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by boomer:
<B>O.M.
I think that it may be illegal (or at least very naughty) to mount a full kerb.
.[/quote]
Is that in the same way that its very naughty to mount a donkey?? is it illegal too??
Pete
<B>O.M.
I think that it may be illegal (or at least very naughty) to mount a full kerb.
.[/quote]
Is that in the same way that its very naughty to mount a donkey??
is it illegal too?? Pete
21 September 2001, 11:31 PM
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Before you get bogged down in the insurance issue, be sure to consider the whole picture.... Let me explain.
Assuming you take responsibility, what's it gonna cost..... a few hundred quid in cash to your neighbour to sort it out off the insurance record, or maybe a similar amount but probably less through increased insurance premiums if you go the other route.
So there you go....costs you a few quid, but IMHO it was your fault anyway so there.
NOW....Think about this, if you contest this yo are likely to fall out with your neighbour big time... and neighbour from hell situations are a complete nightmare. What happens when your car gets nicked (god forbid) and the only witness was the neighbour you just drove into? And you never really were sure who it was put that malicous scratch down the side of your car about a month after the whole incident...... I could go on, but I think you get my drift.
Sorry mate...that's my view.
Tom H
Assuming you take responsibility, what's it gonna cost..... a few hundred quid in cash to your neighbour to sort it out off the insurance record, or maybe a similar amount but probably less through increased insurance premiums if you go the other route.
So there you go....costs you a few quid, but IMHO it was your fault anyway so there.
NOW....Think about this, if you contest this yo are likely to fall out with your neighbour big time... and neighbour from hell situations are a complete nightmare. What happens when your car gets nicked (god forbid) and the only witness was the neighbour you just drove into? And you never really were sure who it was put that malicous scratch down the side of your car about a month after the whole incident...... I could go on, but I think you get my drift.
Sorry mate...that's my view.
Tom H
21 September 2001, 11:51 PM
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I refuse to agree with a certain learned friend as I am sure this behavior is the result of a new virus spreading through the community. It must be stopped as if it continues to replicate in this manner there will be no one for him to argue with.
Regarding the accident OM you were unlucky/innatentive accept it. How would you respond if he reversed into you and pulled a similar stroke? I wouldn't want to risk parking near a disgruntled neighbour.
Surely there can't be that much damage if you want to avoid the claim pay for the repair.
Regarding the accident OM you were unlucky/innatentive accept it. How would you respond if he reversed into you and pulled a similar stroke? I wouldn't want to risk parking near a disgruntled neighbour.
Surely there can't be that much damage if you want to avoid the claim pay for the repair.
22 September 2001, 01:32 AM
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Would you like it if somebody damaged your car and then tried to blame you ?
Dave.
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22 September 2001, 07:23 AM
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O.K. Guys... thanks for the input.
I was just seeking other opinions on this matter, my girlfriend keeps saying that it's very annoying that the other neighbour parks there and don't give a **** about other road users. I've asked him a few times if he could possibly park a bit further down or use his double driveway as it makes reversing out in my dads Jag a nightmare. His reply was "I'll park where I like" I replied that it also obscures the view when coing down the hill of his kids & others playing just past it. WIll it take the accident of a child & car for him to park his car on his perfectly good driveway.
Go on shoot me down in flames on this but when it happened I laughed saying to him. "Well I have asked you to move your car a few times" to which he replied "F$~# Off"
I've never really got on with him anyway..
Anyone know anywhee I can buy a cheap Tank ?
O.M.
I was just seeking other opinions on this matter, my girlfriend keeps saying that it's very annoying that the other neighbour parks there and don't give a **** about other road users. I've asked him a few times if he could possibly park a bit further down or use his double driveway as it makes reversing out in my dads Jag a nightmare. His reply was "I'll park where I like" I replied that it also obscures the view when coing down the hill of his kids & others playing just past it. WIll it take the accident of a child & car for him to park his car on his perfectly good driveway.
Go on shoot me down in flames on this but when it happened I laughed saying to him. "Well I have asked you to move your car a few times" to which he replied "F$~# Off"
I've never really got on with him anyway..
Anyone know anywhee I can buy a cheap Tank ?
O.M.
22 September 2001, 01:24 PM
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Om,
you just wrote
"my mates head was obscuring the view"
by your own admission you couldn't see where you were going. That might be concived as dangerous driving? Or driving without due care?
best to just pay out.
you just wrote
"my mates head was obscuring the view"
by your own admission you couldn't see where you were going. That might be concived as dangerous driving? Or driving without due care?
best to just pay out.
22 September 2001, 02:17 PM
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The principal remains the same but had that latest bit of info been added earlier there may have been a more sympathetic response
The guys a *****.
So as you dont get along, why not but a wreck with 9 months tax and choose to park it "where you like" i.e just opposite your drive?
Or following on from Toms post wouldn't it be unfortunate if some boy racer in a worthless heap .........
The principal remains the same but had that latest bit of info been added earlier there may have been a more sympathetic response
The guys a *****.
So as you dont get along, why not but a wreck with 9 months tax and choose to park it "where you like" i.e just opposite your drive?
Or following on from Toms post wouldn't it be unfortunate if some boy racer in a worthless heap .........
22 September 2001, 04:57 PM
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Seems the guys a pr%$k but you reversed into his car when your vision was obscured! Couldn't you have asked your mate 'Excuse me old bean but could you possibly move your cranium to improve my rearward visibility..??'....
And why not reverse INTO your house/drive? It's much easier to get out of spaces forwards - especially when you live opposite someone who can't give a t%£s....?
Just thoughts....
Dave
Seems the guys a pr%$k but you reversed into his car when your vision was obscured! Couldn't you have asked your mate 'Excuse me old bean but could you possibly move your cranium to improve my rearward visibility..??'....
And why not reverse INTO your house/drive? It's much easier to get out of spaces forwards - especially when you live opposite someone who can't give a t%£s....?
Just thoughts....
Dave
23 September 2001, 01:37 PM
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Come here with half a story Octane Man! That makes things a little clearer. The legalities etc. of the situation all still stand but maybe the inconvenience of having his car off the road may convince him that you were right all along.
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24 September 2001, 12:36 AM
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As said before on this post I am not sure that items in the highway code are "Law". However, I always thought that reversing from a drive into a road can be "illegal". You should reverse from the road into the drive. NOt sure - but just be careful and sure before you start spouting "Law" to Insurers and "troublesome" neighbours!
Good Luck :-)
Good Luck :-)
24 September 2001, 01:35 AM
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I've been asked to move on for parking on the pavement before. When the kids were little in pushchairs it was so annoying when people parked on the pavement.
I beleive it is illegal, and that there is such a thing as contributory negligence. Had he not been parked on the kerb, he may have come into view in your side mirror.
Just mention it in your report, that he was parked on the pavement, then if the insurers want to persue it they can and you have done nothing malicious.
That said OM you're still a **** for not making sure you could see where you're going!!!
Good luck.
Dave
I beleive it is illegal, and that there is such a thing as contributory negligence. Had he not been parked on the kerb, he may have come into view in your side mirror.
Just mention it in your report, that he was parked on the pavement, then if the insurers want to persue it they can and you have done nothing malicious.
That said OM you're still a **** for not making sure you could see where you're going!!!
Good luck.
Dave
24 September 2001, 01:04 PM
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O.K. Everyone I admit it I'm an **** for not seeing the other car in time. I'm biting the bullet and getting it sorted out on insurance as the the damage to his car was considerable (Crushed passenger door, cracked window and quarter side panel kinked)
I received my claim form to fill in which I did and made amendments as they had my registration wrong and it was showing TPFT not COMP.
I sent off my completed claim form to the insurers and they phoned me this morning and said "You've filled in the registration wrong" "Nope I said, I corrected it as you had the old registration number, I phoned you in April when I put the private plate on the car and informed you" They said "Just a minute" and put me on hold, a guy comes on the phone and said "Hello, I believe you want to change your details on you policy" and told me it would cost £20....
Hucking Fell !!!!
I told them that I'd already informed them in April and they said "Fine, we'll amend our records and send you updated documents out" I never received them. This whole thing is becoming a nightmare and I wish I hadn't bothered taking that day of work to take some visitng friends out.
O.M.
<B>p.s. "Dave P" thanks for you comments but I don't take kindly to being called a ****. You being a "Banker" and all, did I spell Banker correctly ?</B>
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I received my claim form to fill in which I did and made amendments as they had my registration wrong and it was showing TPFT not COMP.
I sent off my completed claim form to the insurers and they phoned me this morning and said "You've filled in the registration wrong" "Nope I said, I corrected it as you had the old registration number, I phoned you in April when I put the private plate on the car and informed you" They said "Just a minute" and put me on hold, a guy comes on the phone and said "Hello, I believe you want to change your details on you policy" and told me it would cost £20....
Hucking Fell !!!!
I told them that I'd already informed them in April and they said "Fine, we'll amend our records and send you updated documents out" I never received them. This whole thing is becoming a nightmare and I wish I hadn't bothered taking that day of work to take some visitng friends out.
O.M.
<B>p.s. "Dave P" thanks for you comments but I don't take kindly to being called a ****. You being a "Banker" and all, did I spell Banker correctly ?</B>
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24 September 2001, 01:29 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Somerset Yokel:
<B>As said before on this post I am not sure that items in the highway code are "Law"[/quote]
They are not - though the Code is often considered in Traffic Law violations in court as a general guide. In this case however, the parked car was contravening the Road Traffic Act (don't ask me which bit - I'm not *that* sad ) which says you must not park "with one or more wheels" on the pavement. That's why you can get a parking ticket for parking on the pavement, it's the law!!!....
In this case, if the car was parked fully on the road, as I understand it, it would have been say a foot closer to your car which would presumably have caused *more* damage (due to it's closer proximity???).
Bad Luck M8.....
Matt
<B>As said before on this post I am not sure that items in the highway code are "Law"[/quote]
They are not - though the Code is often considered in Traffic Law violations in court as a general guide. In this case however, the parked car was contravening the Road Traffic Act (don't ask me which bit - I'm not *that* sad
) which says you must not park "with one or more wheels" on the pavement. That's why you can get a parking ticket for parking on the pavement, it's the law!!!....In this case, if the car was parked fully on the road, as I understand it, it would have been say a foot closer to your car which would presumably have caused *more* damage (due to it's closer proximity???).
Bad Luck M8.....
Matt