Bob Rawle and his attitude problem.
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i only ever use clinic, if i get an issue i pick up the phone speak to kev and they have it in to fix it, if its an issue with something they have done there's no bill, if its something else its my bill. works quite well that way
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Some of the things i've seen when engines/cars have been stripped with suposedly well respected tuners is shocking.
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problem is it devloes into a slag fest, then someone will threaten to sue if the posts arn't removed and the thread will be gone. I still rememeber a very widley known and well respected tuner who actualy had polls created on here and voted down their competition
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And to answer other peoples questions about mappers and trust etc - some of the people moaning will be moaning that no one is available to map their car in 10-15 years time.. Unless you have a degree of trust then go learn it yourself. No two cars are the same (especially modified ones like ours). I for one will be stuck for luck if Andy just decided to stop mapping one day.
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Andy does my mapping. I actually managed to have a full on email conversation with him (holy ****!). He told me why my car was giving me the exact symptoms it was and how i could fix it. And advised me that 550's were his limit for ESL due to poor performance with higher injectors etc. Car now runs amazing and i have a big smile on my face as opposed to driving around with virtually no boost available. Knowledgable bloke. not cheap or easy to get hold of but hes always sorted mine out.
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depends who you go to, andys spent a good few hrs mapping my cars when he comes not just a flash and drive away
the problem with tuning scoobs esp is theres so many variations in mods
like the vw guys all tend to do/use the same thing
hpfp/intake/exhaust and a map
these parts are asl only sold by a handful of people which is why there are so many generic maps for the vag group
now if you lined 5 scoobs up, each one would have a different intake, a different exhaust, a different decat down pipe, intercooler so these take more time, and if you get a crap mapper then the generic map they dl wont be as good,
everyones guna make a mistake along the lines somewhere, when me/andy first went mafless on my bug it really didnt like it, a quick fettle and happy days, he actually came back to me to sort it. hes just suck a busy bloke
the problem with tuning scoobs esp is theres so many variations in mods
like the vw guys all tend to do/use the same thing
hpfp/intake/exhaust and a map
these parts are asl only sold by a handful of people which is why there are so many generic maps for the vag group
now if you lined 5 scoobs up, each one would have a different intake, a different exhaust, a different decat down pipe, intercooler so these take more time, and if you get a crap mapper then the generic map they dl wont be as good,
everyones guna make a mistake along the lines somewhere, when me/andy first went mafless on my bug it really didnt like it, a quick fettle and happy days, he actually came back to me to sort it. hes just suck a busy bloke
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depends who you go to, andys spent a good few hrs mapping my cars when he comes not just a flash and drive away
the problem with tuning scoobs esp is theres so many variations in mods
like the vw guys all tend to do/use the same thing
hpfp/intake/exhaust and a map
these parts are asl only sold by a handful of people which is why there are so many generic maps for the vag group
now if you lined 5 scoobs up, each one would have a different intake, a different exhaust, a different decat down pipe, intercooler so these take more time, and if you get a crap mapper then the generic map they dl wont be as good,
everyones guna make a mistake along the lines somewhere, when me/andy first went mafless on my bug it really didnt like it, a quick fettle and happy days, he actually came back to me to sort it. hes just suck a busy bloke
the problem with tuning scoobs esp is theres so many variations in mods
like the vw guys all tend to do/use the same thing
hpfp/intake/exhaust and a map
these parts are asl only sold by a handful of people which is why there are so many generic maps for the vag group
now if you lined 5 scoobs up, each one would have a different intake, a different exhaust, a different decat down pipe, intercooler so these take more time, and if you get a crap mapper then the generic map they dl wont be as good,
everyones guna make a mistake along the lines somewhere, when me/andy first went mafless on my bug it really didnt like it, a quick fettle and happy days, he actually came back to me to sort it. hes just suck a busy bloke
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depends who you go to, andys spent a good few hrs mapping my cars when he comes not just a flash and drive away
the problem with tuning scoobs esp is theres so many variations in mods
like the vw guys all tend to do/use the same thing
hpfp/intake/exhaust and a map
these parts are asl only sold by a handful of people which is why there are so many generic maps for the vag group
now if you lined 5 scoobs up, each one would have a different intake, a different exhaust, a different decat down pipe, intercooler so these take more time, and if you get a crap mapper then the generic map they dl wont be as good,
everyones guna make a mistake along the lines somewhere, when me/andy first went mafless on my bug it really didnt like it, a quick fettle and happy days, he actually came back to me to sort it. hes just suck a busy bloke
the problem with tuning scoobs esp is theres so many variations in mods
like the vw guys all tend to do/use the same thing
hpfp/intake/exhaust and a map
these parts are asl only sold by a handful of people which is why there are so many generic maps for the vag group
now if you lined 5 scoobs up, each one would have a different intake, a different exhaust, a different decat down pipe, intercooler so these take more time, and if you get a crap mapper then the generic map they dl wont be as good,
everyones guna make a mistake along the lines somewhere, when me/andy first went mafless on my bug it really didnt like it, a quick fettle and happy days, he actually came back to me to sort it. hes just suck a busy bloke
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The issue here is the mappers are not doing health checks before mapping the cars, some will be happy to map a car with faulty mechanics and sensors, very few will refuse to map the car and tell them to get it fixed first.
This is the problem.
Tuning isn't magic, everyone has made it into some black art taboo, all mappers should achieve the same result in a gear 3 pull provided those mappers stick to a threshold of power:safety.
I'd never let my car go to a mapper who does a dyno only tune and lets it go.
I only know of 1 mapper who does a dyno tune + road rune and he also doesn't go around being worshiped like a subaru god.
Most mappers will do a high power tune, do a roughish map down low, because they are happy to let the closed loop fueling bring the afr's to the optimum level.
now what happens if the closed loop cant bring the AFr's to a stoich level ? smells like fuel and ****.
Mapping is way 2 expensive for what it is frankly, and that is the truth.
mappers are sending cars out in 2 hours and charging £300+
and you know why they can?
because your engine is worth, in some cases, more than 10 times that amount
Its a hamster wheel, so find someone honest, he may not be the best mapper, but his ego may be able to accept not being the best so he will take his time and give a ****.
This is the problem.
Tuning isn't magic, everyone has made it into some black art taboo, all mappers should achieve the same result in a gear 3 pull provided those mappers stick to a threshold of power:safety.
I'd never let my car go to a mapper who does a dyno only tune and lets it go.
I only know of 1 mapper who does a dyno tune + road rune and he also doesn't go around being worshiped like a subaru god.
Most mappers will do a high power tune, do a roughish map down low, because they are happy to let the closed loop fueling bring the afr's to the optimum level.
now what happens if the closed loop cant bring the AFr's to a stoich level ? smells like fuel and ****.
Mapping is way 2 expensive for what it is frankly, and that is the truth.
mappers are sending cars out in 2 hours and charging £300+
and you know why they can?
because your engine is worth, in some cases, more than 10 times that amount
Its a hamster wheel, so find someone honest, he may not be the best mapper, but his ego may be able to accept not being the best so he will take his time and give a ****.
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Any mapper doing this is just **** full stop and i know several who do yet people rave about them.
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Unfortunately now I believe he does most of his mapping at Surrey Rolling Road from what I hear he never road tests the cars once off the dyno. This is second hand info, not personal experience so I'm happy to be proved wrong.
Also, I fully agree with the comments about basic health checks prior to mapping. It should be done every time, but I know isn't being done. I know Simon used to do this and turn people away without charge if there was an issue.
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Well said hamzi
It's not the black mysical art that some tuners make it out to be!
£300+ for What is some times less than an hour spent on tuning is a p155 take!
I'm thick as **** but manage to tune my car with no problems,even on Bigger injectors.
Problem is most are too busy and far too greedy.
Ffs there is more of an art and at least proper qualifications for decent engine builders and they don't charge upwards of £300 and hour.
It's not the black mysical art that some tuners make it out to be!
£300+ for What is some times less than an hour spent on tuning is a p155 take!
I'm thick as **** but manage to tune my car with no problems,even on Bigger injectors.
Problem is most are too busy and far too greedy.
Ffs there is more of an art and at least proper qualifications for decent engine builders and they don't charge upwards of £300 and hour.
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Well said hamzi
It's not the black mysical art that some tuners make it out to be!
£300+ for What is some times less than an hour spent on tuning is a p155 take!
I'm thick as **** but manage to tune my car with no problems,even on Bigger injectors.
Problem is most are too busy and far too greedy.
Ffs there is more of an art and at least proper qualifications for decent engine builders and they don't charge upwards of £300 and hour.
It's not the black mysical art that some tuners make it out to be!
£300+ for What is some times less than an hour spent on tuning is a p155 take!
I'm thick as **** but manage to tune my car with no problems,even on Bigger injectors.
Problem is most are too busy and far too greedy.
Ffs there is more of an art and at least proper qualifications for decent engine builders and they don't charge upwards of £300 and hour.
I'm just trusting someone who knows a lot more about mapping and Subaru in general than me. I'm happy to pay them for this service. He didnt have to tell me 740s were (IN HIS OPINION) too big for my ECU, he gained nothing monetarily from it. What should i have done? just say nah mate i know better just map it anyway? again bro i appreciate what youre saying and kudos to getting them to work on yours.
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When Duncan mapped my first car he road tuned it, spent another hour on the dyno fine tuning then went out on the road for further tuning and checks. Took half a day, car was brilliant and faultless.
Unfortunately now I believe he does most of his mapping at Surrey Rolling Road from what I hear he never road tests the cars once off the dyno. This is second hand info, not personal experience so I'm happy to be proved wrong.
Also, I fully agree with the comments about basic health checks prior to mapping. It should be done every time, but I know isn't being done. I know Simon used to do this and turn people away without charge if there was an issue.
Unfortunately now I believe he does most of his mapping at Surrey Rolling Road from what I hear he never road tests the cars once off the dyno. This is second hand info, not personal experience so I'm happy to be proved wrong.
Also, I fully agree with the comments about basic health checks prior to mapping. It should be done every time, but I know isn't being done. I know Simon used to do this and turn people away without charge if there was an issue.