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Old 09 March 2017, 09:45 AM
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Default Prototype 22b FS at Bonhams

This should get interesting.

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/241...ngth=10&page=1

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Old 09 March 2017, 09:53 AM
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The rarest of the rare, in terms of model, condition and mileage?
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Old 09 March 2017, 12:45 PM
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The estimate is a little on the conservative side, I'd expect it to reach at least double the lower estimate.
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Old 09 March 2017, 12:52 PM
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That could be a six figure 22B maybe?
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Old 09 March 2017, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Paulo P View Post
The estimate is a little on the conservative side, I'd expect it to reach at least double the lower estimate.
You'd be stealing it at that price Though if you had the money it could well be worth a punt as an investment.
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I agree. I'd say that is a 6 figure car all day long!
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I'm suprised Bonham's aren't mentioning that the "Collector" is Nicky Grist.
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Pity about the stickers being added by the owner.

If I thought it'd only be 100k, I'd re- mortgage my house tomorrow. At that price, you'd triple your money in 10 years.

How much is an Audi Sport Quattro these days?
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Old 09 March 2017, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rossyboy View Post
Pity about the stickers being added by the owner.

If I thought it'd only be 100k, I'd re- mortgage my house tomorrow. At that price, you'd triple your money in 10 years.

How much is an Audi Sport Quattro these days?
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22718/lot/36/

This Quattro sold for 281,000
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Old 09 March 2017, 07:39 PM
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Exactly
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Old 09 March 2017, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rossyboy View Post
Pity about the stickers being added by the owner.

If I thought it'd only be 100k, I'd re- mortgage my house tomorrow. At that price, you'd triple your money in 10 years.

How much is an Audi Sport Quattro these days?
Subaru owned it, so in this case I think the stickers add to the value.
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If that is the case, then yes I'd agree.
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My boss had a new California delivered yesterday which only cost a few quid more than what people expect this jap tin can to make....That just goes to show how mad the world has gone!
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Be fair, the California is easily one of the less desirable Ferraris and the 22b is becoming a generational classic.
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Hate it when people cover a gorgeous car like that in stickers. The previous owner should be shot.
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Originally Posted by scoobyboy1 View Post
****ing hell somebody got done there If i was going to spend that much money on a Quattro I'd want some real provenance behind it (like this one). 247000 for an ex works car driven by Hannu Mikkola looks like a steal in comparison.

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22718/lot/52/
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Originally Posted by neil-h View Post
Be fair, the California is easily one of the less desirable Ferraris and the 22b is becoming a generational classic.
What's the desirability of the Ferrari have to do with it. The fact is its brand-new and far superior to a Japanese tin can....

When the Jap car bubble bursts and things go back to normal, those who have paid well over the odds will wonder wtf has just happened to their prized asset!

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Originally Posted by jayallen View Post
What's the desirability of the Ferrari have to do with it. The fact is its brand-new and far superior to a Japanese tin can....

When the Jap car bubble bursts and things go back to normal, those who have paid well over the odds will wonder wtf has just happened to their prized asset!


But the sort of person who buys a 100+ grand 22B also has a new Ferrari in his garage Jay...

The bubble for cars like the 22B won't burst, it'll only ever get better. Especially when they can be sent over to America and such like.
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Originally Posted by jayallen View Post
When the bubble bursts and things go back to normal, those who have paid well over the odds will wonder wtf has just happened to their prized asset!
Correction
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Originally Posted by MattyB1983 View Post
But the sort of person who buys a 100+ grand 22B also has a new Ferrari in his garage Jay...

The bubble for cars like the 22B won't burst, it'll only ever get better. Especially when they can be sent over to America and such like.
Surely there can only be a minority of people who would be willing to drop 100k+ on an Impreza which lets face it, isn't even the best of its breed! Reality has to kick in sooner of later, a reality that puts things into pricing perspective.....If not where does it end?
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kerb mark on alloy, i'm out
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Here you go.

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22718/lot/36/
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Old 10 March 2017, 11:19 PM
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https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24103/lot/370/
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Old 11 March 2017, 10:48 AM
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Did subaru actually win anything with the 22b? I see all the young un's lording over Colin McRae but I dont actually see why, he won 1 drivers title in all the time he drove for them, the same as Burns and Solberg.

What does the equivalent Evo of this generation go for? Are people paying 100k for a TME?

As a few have said, reality will set in eventually with the 22b
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It's pretty obvious some people just don't understand how the market works.

You can't compare a TME with a 22B for a start - one is just a special edition of a mainstream model and the other has a completely be-spoke larger capacity engine and body shell.

There will never be a correction in the market for 22Bs - especially when they're 25 years old and the US can get their hands on them. They're absolutely iconic for a whole world-wide generation of petrolheads. Why some of you don't get that I have no idea.

It's not like the Ford RS scene - which is pretty much UK only and therefore limits the market. There are about 120 million people in Japan alone.

How many 22Bs left? 300 or just over probably. Not that many to go around across the whole globe.
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Originally Posted by rickybobby View Post
Did subaru actually win anything with the 22b?
The 22B was based on the 1997 Constructors Championship winning WRC car, so yes.

http://www.snaplap.net/subaru-impreza-wrc-97/

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Originally Posted by rossyboy View Post
How many 22Bs left?

Probably a similar amount as there was a few years ago when they were 20k.....The question is, what has sparked the price to rise 5 fold? Why is it now the prices have eclipsed the NSX and R34 GTR which were once regarded as the kings of jap cars.
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Have you seen the prices of R34's lately, Jay?
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Yeah I have mate, 45k-50k which is nowhere the increase of the 22b.
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Originally Posted by jayallen View Post
Probably a similar amount as there was a few years ago when they were 20k.....The question is, what has sparked the price to rise 5 fold? Why is it now the prices have eclipsed the NSX and R34 GTR which were once regarded as the kings of jap cars.
As I said, some people just don't understand the market
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