Originally Posted by urban
(Post 10546632)
I don't understand why people say this - why do you think the previous planned increases were canned?
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Exactly, i expect fuel will be £2 a litre within two years- a joke- considering about £1.10 of that will be tax. Its like they want us all to go back to victorian times, on bikes and horses!
Thing is, if people junked there cars, theyd have to tax you on something else instead- probably poll tax!! |
Originally Posted by Boro
(Post 10547458)
Canned? Postponed more like. Fuel has still gone up even so and will continue to go up until no-one needs it anymore. Which is a few years away yet!
Previous planned increases were scrapped. I would be hopeful the new planned increases are scrapped too, but the campaign needs more numbers signed up. |
Signed.
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
(Post 10545719)
Er, how about stopped the ridiculous amount we pay out in benefits for starters!
I read somewhere that during the 70s, the income tax rate in the UK were horrendous yet the fuel duty was very low. These days, the income tax rates are lower yet fuel duty is much higher. Again, the government that puts 3% on the basic rate and reduces fuel by 10p will be booted at the next election for having increased income tax. The fuel duty reduction will be forgotten. I'm not saying I'm for increases because fuel costs restrict the things I want to do in life. I'm just saying that taxation has to come from somewhere. |
Signed (for all the good it'll do :rolleyes:).
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Originally Posted by EddScott
(Post 10550875)
Largely because the government that finally puts a stop on the benefit culture is likely to be the one booted out first chance the populace gets. Worker are too busy working to vote so the feckless having just lost their benefits will be there pen in hand.
I read somewhere that during the 70s, the income tax rate in the UK were horrendous yet the fuel duty was very low. These days, the income tax rates are lower yet fuel duty is much higher. Again, the government that puts 3% on the basic rate and reduces fuel by 10p will be booted at the next election for having increased income tax. The fuel duty reduction will be forgotten. I'm not saying I'm for increases because fuel costs restrict the things I want to do in life. I'm just saying that taxation has to come from somewhere. Why people think we have some god given right to be able to buy petrol at some crazy cheap price, is beyond me i would like to buy Gold at 5$ an ounce, but it aint going to happen |
Of course we have a right to not have excessive tax applied on essential items like fuel.
The Government is getting ready for the zero emmision vehicles by bringing in road tolls (Camron announced road pricing again) so that is how they intend to replace fuel tax The welfare state is a national insurance system so people should only have acess to it once they have paid either a bond or Tax for many years the same as Australia instead of being given a house and full health care as soon as they arrive having made no contribution to the country |
AdrianF - well said about the welfare state, same thing goes for the NHS in my book too
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signed
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"Our findings suggest that a 2.5 pence reduction in fuel duty would result in the creation of 175 thousand jobs within a year and 180 thousand jobs within five years of such a reduction. Such a reduction, we estimate, would not result in any fiscal loss to the Government, while GDP would receive a boost of 0.32 per cent within a year and 0.34 per cent within five years."
When they stop the "Apprentice maths" I might take them seriously. Sounds like the the other lot from a few years back (Ben what's his name and his fuel card ****e) I'm not signing up to be spammed for the next year or so. |
Originally Posted by jasey
(Post 10583828)
"Our findings suggest that a 2.5 pence reduction in fuel duty would result in the creation of 175 thousand jobs within a year and 180 thousand jobs within five years of such a reduction. Such a reduction, we estimate, would not result in any fiscal loss to the Government, while GDP would receive a boost of 0.32 per cent within a year and 0.34 per cent within five years."
When they stop the "Apprentice maths" I might take them seriously. Sounds like the the other lot from a few years back (Ben what's his name and his fuel card ****e) I'm not signing up to be spammed for the next year or so. |
Yes, the creation of 175 thousand jobs is nonsense.
However, the knock on effect of that reduction should, and would be reflected in the bottom line cost of every thing we purchase. |
Originally Posted by EddScott
(Post 10545707)
Signed
Although I would like to know where the government is expected to find the shortfall income if they reduce fuel duty. I also clicked VAT reduction. More important to me than fuel. Also signed it :thumb: |
Originally Posted by Mike GT
(Post 10665318)
It was on the news this morning that the government have saved 487 million pounds on this olympics stadium bollocks, so why can't they fund the shortfall from that and give us motorists a bloody break ????
Also signed it :thumb: |
But still there is 487 million quid going back to the government coffers, so why not reduce fuel duty, VAT etc even better give 100k to each household in th UK and we, the public will get this economy going by spending it in the local shops etc etc and create jobs that way.......wait......thats too sensible for an idiot politician to come up with is it not :lol1:
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Mike GT for PM :D
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Originally Posted by urban
(Post 10665361)
Mike GT for PM :D
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Originally Posted by Mike GT
(Post 10665354)
But still there is 487 million quid going back to the government coffers, so why not reduce fuel duty, VAT etc even better give 100k to each household in th UK and we, the public will get this economy going by spending it in the local shops etc etc and create jobs that way.......wait......thats too sensible for an idiot politician to come up with is it not :lol1:
it's 487 million they wont have to borrow from the w@nkers we bailed out a couple of years ago ;):D. Motorists wont be getting any breaks anytime soon :( |
The rise has been scrapped! Yay!
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Official statement from Osbourne, Clare?
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Originally Posted by Boro
(Post 10546115)
Canned? Postponed more like. Fuel has still gone up even so and will continue to go up until no-one needs it anymore. Which is a few years away yet!
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I feel its just a way of making it seem that they are bowing down to public outcry , when in reality , fuel is still at an expensive rate.
In simple terms - "hey , petrol is too expensive!" "ok then , we wont raise the price" |
Yes, fuel is still expensive in the UK
But, remember that the fair fuel campaign has saved us twice now from an increase. What I really can't understand is why there are only 300K people in the UK signed up |
I think its because they know its a loosing battle.
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But its not a loosing battle - people need to stand up and fight back more.
Here's an example - I recently came back from the states - their fuel works out to be about 60pence per litre |
And how much of that is tax ? Our gov wont just knock 70% off just coz 300k people "sign" an online petition. All they will ever do is not tax it more than they do at the min , but they know people need petrol and they hold all the cards.
The only real action that will get the results is a strike , but who is willing to do that when only 300k can just be bothered to click a button on their PC. |
Not a lot in comparison to the UK - I was told on average about 55cents per gallon - so very roughly 12 pence per litre.
No, of course they won't knock 70% off. But they've been allowed to increase it to unacceptable levels now I think you'll find that if people would stand up to them, they hold all the cards |
Think thats the problem , people arent in a good position at the min with job losses etc , and still dont seem to be bothered !
I predict a riot . |
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