Advice Needed RE Engine Problem
I bought a 1998 V4 WRX STI Type R a couple of weeks back, this is the first Scooby i have bought so am totally "Green" with these cars. It was running fine for the first week then I noticed there was a smell of oil within the engine bay. I checked the Oil level and that was fine, I had a look underneath to see if it was dropping oil and there was nothing visible by eye or on the drive. A friend of mine also had a look and said he thought he may be able to see spots of oil dropping near the back of the engine which was turning into small plumes of smoke as it was hitting something hot (Exhaust Manifold?) We also noticed that the Coolant level had dropped to nothing after appx 30 mins driving.
This morning I topped the coolant up to its Max level and also checked the oil which was fine. I drove the car at the speed limits and could hear a rattling/vibration noise from the engine, it was only happening when my foot was on the accelerator and stopped when i lifted off. I had already decided this wasnt sounding right and took the car back home, I changed down to third at a roundabout and the car lurched and sounded like it was going to die on me. The vibrating noise was getting worse and literally as I turned the car onto my drive it totally cut out. I checked the engine bay and underneath and again can smell oil but no sign of it dropping anywhere. The coolant however has totally disappeared again. Can anyone offer some advice on what they think the problem may be or if thet have experienced a similar problem? Thank you in advance for your assistance. Matt. |
HI, oil smell could be oil dripping from leaking drivers side cam cover. (common problem).
Losing coolant could be a few.. Rad Cap, Header tank leaking, Slightly split rad, Air lock, Split hose?? You will also get loads of people say Head Gasket gone.... which it might be but check out the simples first. If unsure get a reputable garage to have a look. Good luck :thumb: |
Originally Posted by Mattyboy_STI
(Post 10051844)
We also noticed that the Coolant level had dropped to nothing after appx 30 mins driving.
This morning I topped the coolant up to its Max level and also checked the oil which was fine. The coolant however has totally disappeared again. Use the header tank on the top of the engine. You need to have it looked at by a professional. The engine noise is your main concern. |
dont want to scare you, but the car dying on you doesnt sound so good and what type of noise are you getting? if possible upload a video so we can hear what type of noise you are getting, if you cant take your car to a garage who knows this cars asap and get it check and just avoid driving, i had similar porblems with my old scooby, but no problems with losing water but i had a noise coming from the engine and losing power it felt like the car was dying on me and that was a knocked engine i just hope that this isnt the issue with your case, all the best mate just let us know the outcome.
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Originally Posted by tarrano
(Post 10051943)
HI, oil smell could be oil dripping from leaking drivers side cam cover. (common problem).
Losing coolant could be a few.. Rad Cap, Header tank leaking, Slightly split rad, Air lock, Split hose?? You will also get loads of people say Head Gasket gone.... which it might be but check out the simples first. If unsure get a reputable garage to have a look. Good luck :thumb: |
Originally Posted by b13bat
(Post 10052233)
Where are you topping up and checking the coolant levels??
Use the header tank on the top of the engine. You need to have it looked at by a professional. The engine noise is your main concern. |
Originally Posted by BLACKSTI97
(Post 10052266)
dont want to scare you, but the car dying on you doesnt sound so good and what type of noise are you getting? if possible upload a video so we can hear what type of noise you are getting, if you cant take your car to a garage who knows this cars asap and get it check and just avoid driving, i had similar porblems with my old scooby, but no problems with losing water but i had a noise coming from the engine and losing power it felt like the car was dying on me and that was a knocked engine i just hope that this isnt the issue with your case, all the best mate just let us know the outcome.
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So what is the coolant level in the header tank??
Sounds like you've lost the bottom end to me! |
Originally Posted by b13bat
(Post 10052371)
So what is the coolant level in the header tank??
Sounds like you've lost the bottom end to me! When i first drove the car a week ago the engine was extremely hot,the temp gauge in the car was reading halfway but i could hear what sounded like the coolant boiling in the header tank when i lifted the bonnet. If I have lost the bottom end then what would indicate that, or what would cause that? Thank you for your continued assistance. |
Originally Posted by Mattyboy_STI
(Post 10052497)
When i first drove the car a week ago the engine was extremely hot,the temp gauge in the car was reading halfway
Originally Posted by Mattyboy_STI
(Post 10052497)
but i could hear what sounded like the coolant boiling in the header tank when i lifted the bonnet.
Originally Posted by Mattyboy_STI
(Post 10052497)
If I have lost the bottom end then what would indicate that, or what would cause that? Thank you for your continued assistance.
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when the car was dying did the oil light flash? does sound like bottom end but as b13bat rightly says its all guess work as we cant see/hear the car but if bottom end was going it would make a rattling noise under load and also you would lose oil pressure slowing down which would cause it to die before stopping
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Originally Posted by b13bat
(Post 10052544)
Halfway is spot on. Not Extremely hot.
That's probably because it was. If your temp stays below halfway, your fan kicks in and you heaters work as they should then i can see no immediate problem with the coolant system. You probably haven't lost it... but worst case scenario! That's why i advised you to get it to a garage, as any opinions on here will be pure guess work, educated or not. |
Originally Posted by leedscal
(Post 10052557)
when the car was dying did the oil light flash? does sound like bottom end but as b13bat rightly says its all guess work as we cant see/hear the car but if bottom end was going it would make a rattling noise under load and also you would lose oil pressure slowing down which would cause it to die before stopping
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Originally Posted by Mattyboy_STI
(Post 10052580)
Thank you, your opinions are valued and I appreciate you taking the time to try and help.
Does it sound any thing like this?? http://youtu.be/id26ZhTdxrI |
was the rattling at around 1500-2500 revs? thats what mine was like, but like i say my oil light was flashing when it was cutting out, is it knocking at all? just while its idling? best bet mate drain oil and see if its a bronze colour (indicates metal contaminated) or take your sump off (8mm or 10mm bolts cant remember) and see if you can see any metal filings also while its off you can push on your conrods to check for play, but if it has gone there deffinatly will be metal fillings in oil. were are you mate?
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Originally Posted by b13bat
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Originally Posted by leedscal
(Post 10052609)
was the rattling at around 1500-2500 revs? thats what mine was like, but like i say my oil light was flashing when it was cutting out, is it knocking at all? just while its idling? best bet mate drain oil and see if its a bronze colour (indicates metal contaminated) or take your sump off (8mm or 10mm bolts cant remember) and see if you can see any metal filings also while its off you can push on your conrods to check for play, but if it has gone there deffinatly will be metal fillings in oil. were are you mate?
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shame your not local mate, it does sound like bottom end (i have had it twice and hate to say) but you need somebody to have a second opinion actualy listening to the car, do you know of any members close to you? thats all i can suggest mate
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Originally Posted by leedscal
(Post 10052648)
shame your not local mate, it does sound like bottom end (i have had it twice and hate to say) but you need somebody to have a second opinion actualy listening to the car, do you know of any members close to you? thats all i can suggest mate
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i bought it with bottom end gone as a project bud rebuilt the engine which cost me around 1000 but i did it with a friend who is a fully qualified mechanic (and im telling you them papers need tearing up) as he was teaching me i wasnt checking his work and whilst he was rushing he put 3 conrod caps on wrong way, to cut along story short run it for a week and bang:( then i bought a 2nd hand engine for £500 and put that in. this is also my first its not a good start to subaru ownership.
the reason it went first time was that the lad didnt keep up with servicing and wasnt looked after at all |
My theory based on information supplied -
I think you may of had a coolant leak, which had dropped onto the exhaust causing the burning smell, Antifreeze can smell like oil when burnt, This in turn has caused the H\G to blow forcing water into a cylinder, Water not being compressible has then caused a con-rod to bend, And it wont start due to being Hydro-locked, To test for this take out all four spark plugs and wind over for a few seconds Replace the spark plugs and attempt to start, without topping up the water It should start albeit with a mis-fire (do-not run for long!!!!) |
Originally Posted by scottydog137
(Post 10052700)
My theory based on information supplied -
I think you may of had a coolant leak, which had dropped onto the exhaust causing the burning smell, Antifreeze can smell like oil when burnt, This in turn has caused the H\G to blow forcing water into a cylinder, Water not being compressible has then caused a con-rod to bend, And it wont start due to being Hydro-locked, To test for this take out all four spark plugs and wind over for a few seconds Replace the spark plugs and attempt to start, without topping up the water It should start albeit with a mis-fire (do-not run for long!!!!) |
Originally Posted by leedscal
(Post 10052682)
i bought it with bottom end gone as a project bud rebuilt the engine which cost me around 1000 but i did it with a friend who is a fully qualified mechanic (and im telling you them papers need tearing up) as he was teaching me i wasnt checking his work and whilst he was rushing he put 3 conrod caps on wrong way, to cut along story short run it for a week and bang:( then i bought a 2nd hand engine for £500 and put that in. this is also my first its not a good start to subaru ownership.
the reason it went first time was that the lad didnt keep up with servicing and wasnt looked after at all Thanks for your help its appreciated :) |
Have a read of this thread. Should answer a lot of your questions!
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Originally Posted by b13bat
(Post 10052788)
Have a read of this thread. Should answer a lot of your questions!
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Originally Posted by Mattyboy_STI
(Post 10052838)
If it is that then im gutted!!! Thanks for the link anyway.:)
That is why you need a physical inspection and not just forum guess work. |
Originally Posted by Mattyboy_STI
(Post 10052740)
If I do all the things you have mentioned above and i do get it started (and not run for long) what will i have to get repaired?
I hope im wrong :thumb: Please keep us all posted |
Originally Posted by scottydog137
(Post 10053022)
Full re-build im afraid :cry:
I hope im wrong :thumb: Please keep us all posted |
Even if it is a rebuild not the end of the world,ive been there.
Chin up fella :) |
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