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gunman-13 26 November 2012 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by urban (Post 10883767)
WTF
Good luck pressing the brake pedal with that mess
:eek2:

Thx,
I'll keep you posted.

DannyBoy007 26 November 2012 02:55 PM

Who drilled those discs, Stevie Wonder??? I've seen less wholes in a dart board

That is trully shocking. Your just asking for the disc to snap, If I was you I would just start again or bite the bullet and buy the correct ones

bigfootjim76 26 November 2012 10:45 PM


Originally Posted by DannyBoy007 (Post 10884076)
Who drilled those discs, Stevie Wonder??? I've seen less wholes in a dart board

That is trully shocking. Your just asking for the disc to snap, If I was you I would just start again or bite the bullet and buy the correct ones


dont be silly fella stevie was on a day off ray charles did them,


please please dont fit those fella,

either never use your car again or ring godspeed or as performance and get the right parts fitted, if you have an accident how on earth would you explian that away?

nobody likes paying out for things but that kind of thing is just crazy imho,

gunman-13 27 November 2012 07:28 PM

...explain what?
the whole kit was never road legal,
As it turns out Prodrive never made an effort to homologate it for road use,so a car fitted with this kit makes it MOT fail and in case of a lethal traffic accident a major problem, even when bought at and installed by an official subaru dealer.
This statement comes from the BeLux main aftersales person,Mr.François Demaret.



So I'm scrapping everything....the end

S10WRC 27 November 2012 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by gunman-13 (Post 10885753)
...explain what?
the whole kit was never road legal,
As it turns out Prodrive never made an effort to homologate it for road use,so a car fitted with this kit makes it MOT fail and in case of a lethal traffic accident a major problem, even when bought at and installed by an official subaru dealer.
This statement comes from the BeLux main aftersales person,Mr.François Demaret.



So I'm scrapping everything....the end


:lol: :cuckoo: :brickwall

Godspeed Brakes 28 November 2012 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by gunman-13 (Post 10885753)
...explain what?
the whole kit was never road legal,
As it turns out Prodrive never made an effort to homologate it for road use,so a car fitted with this kit makes it MOT fail and in case of a lethal traffic accident a major problem, even when bought at and installed by an official subaru dealer.
This statement comes from the BeLux main aftersales person,Mr.François Demaret.



So I'm scrapping everything....the end

What on earth are you talking about ??

This kit does not have to be homologated to use on the road , homologation is only for parts used on the rally cars , its has nothing whatsoever to do with road cars , or parts , the kit is road legal and is perfectly safe to use.

What you have done to bodge those discs onto your car however is certainly not safe to use and should never ever be anywhere near a public road !

Whats going to be your next move , put some grooves in with an axe ??!!

Aztec Performance Ltd 28 November 2012 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by gunman-13 (Post 10883487)
have I been busy during the weekend ...?

see the result and decide yourself!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...b40c08f959.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...b3653f1e98.jpg

so, the pads fit, and the discs are redrilled...

still to follow : a new coat of paint & stickers...on the calipers,of course.
and then...fitting all of it.

Do not fit these discs. An accident waiting to happen.

bigfootjim76 04 December 2012 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by gunman-13 (Post 10885753)
...explain what?
the whole kit was never road legal,
As it turns out Prodrive never made an effort to homologate it for road use,so a car fitted with this kit makes it MOT fail and in case of a lethal traffic accident a major problem, even when bought at and installed by an official subaru dealer.
This statement comes from the BeLux main aftersales person,Mr.François Demaret.



So I'm scrapping everything....the end

not flaming you mate just cant believe you think that doing that to a disc is the right way to go about sorting out the braking on a car with at least 200bhp, so your saying my scoobyclinic 6 pots wont pass an mot?!! because they are aftermarket?!crazy talk fella,

if your getting rid ill be happy to take the prodrive capliers as they wont pass an mot ill put them on my go kart

StefanW 05 December 2012 09:05 AM

Give the bloke some credit for having a go, granted the holes should of been drilled a few degrees away from existing holes etc but why is it a disaster waiting to happen, surely once bolted up they aint going any where, and the studs aint gonna rip through the disc under hard braking, at least give some positive feedback on ways to improve instead of flaming all the time jeez

Godspeed Brakes 05 December 2012 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by StefanW (Post 10894488)
Give the bloke some credit for having a go, granted the holes should of been drilled a few degrees away from existing holes etc but why is it a disaster waiting to happen, surely once bolted up they aint going any where, and the studs aint gonna rip through the disc under hard braking, at least give some positive feedback on ways to improve instead of flaming all the time jeez

Credit for what ? for putting a death trap on the road ?

By having only a few of the stud holes complete will put more stress on the other area's of the bells which could end up shattering the disc , so yes in my opinion it is a disaster waiting to happen

StefanW 05 December 2012 09:43 AM

I agree with you on that point about the hole drillings, but as i said previously if the holes were drilled where there was no interference then that would elimiate the potential of a catastrophic failure.

Thing is if the prices for aftermarket discs for this setup were not so over inflated there would be no need to find alternatives like this anyway !

Godspeed Brakes 05 December 2012 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by StefanW (Post 10894519)
I agree with you on that point about the hole drillings, but as i said previously if the holes were drilled where there was no interference then that would elimiate the potential of a catastrophic failure.

Thing is if the prices for aftermarket discs for this setup were not so over inflated there would be no need to find alternatives like this anyway !

Those discs are made in such a way that where ever you redrill the new stud holes to suit the Subaru you will be cutting into the existing holes , so it can't be done.

The only discs for this set up that is over inflated are the original one piece discs that can with the kit , the 2 piece discs and bells we make are far from being over inflated considering they are a 2 piece disc and bell , once you have our bells , from then on you only need to change the rotors , which we are currently doing for £325 a pair , hardly breaking the bank on parts for a high performance car !

StefanW 05 December 2012 04:21 PM

Well i had a look at the CAD for those discs earlier as found a copy and there is space if you move them round 18 degrees from the exsisting holes so it can be done, sorry i like being pedantic, and as to your other comment think we will have to agree to disagree as im assuming your an engineer too we both know material costs and to manufacture those isnt alot of work, granted theres development costs but to design and make a set of bells is easy specially on most modern CAD systems like pro/e solid works etc

Godspeed Brakes 05 December 2012 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by StefanW (Post 10894932)
Well i had a look at the CAD for those discs earlier as found a copy and there is space if you move them round 18 degrees from the exsisting holes so it can be done, sorry i like being pedantic, and as to your other comment think we will have to agree to disagree as im assuming your an engineer too we both know material costs and to manufacture those isnt alot of work, granted theres development costs but to design and make a set of bells is easy specially on most modern CAD systems like pro/e solid works etc

Then there's the Vat amount , then take into account advertising , rent , rates , electric , wages ect ect .
If there wasn't any of that involved we could sell them a lot cheaper , I take it you don't run your own business ?

StefanW 06 December 2012 08:44 AM

Not officially, I do bespoke work on the side for a few select customers but wouldnt call it a business as such, so yes you have me on that one.

bigfootjim76 06 December 2012 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by StefanW (Post 10894488)
Give the bloke some credit for having a go, granted the holes should of been drilled a few degrees away from existing holes etc but why is it a disaster waiting to happen, surely once bolted up they aint going any where, and the studs aint gonna rip through the disc under hard braking, at least give some positive feedback on ways to improve instead of flaming all the time jeez

fella sorry if iam the one your saying about flaming but when people dont listen, they tend to come back a few weeks/months later saying this xyz has happened poor me,

have you read the thread at its not just the drilling, the disc doesnt fit into the caplier as it is to thick also?!

so if he cant get pads in maybe best to use chocolate digestive biscuits chocolate to act as copper slip, biscuit as a nice compound for the best bite as we wouldnt want the disc's getting hot would we.

credit for thinking outsie the box yes, flaming for clearly wanting not to spend the money to keep an classic car on the road, and put others in danger

Rob Day 19 November 2017 10:23 AM

Wow - just read this as I was looking for history on redrilling 114.3PCD into 100PCD discs.

Surely this can be done without redrilling existing holes?

Robert.

harry007 22 November 2017 10:32 PM

mate my jaws have dropped after seeing the pictures. Trust me I see alot of brakes. This is just simply shocking.

tom-r33 27 December 2017 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by Godspeed Brakes (Post 10856442)

All discs have vanes , but our own make are straight vanes , AP's are curved , I'm yet to be convinced it makes a difference when the wind is flying past the discs at up to 150mph when your driving along !

Cheers Ian

the rotor acts like an air pump, it's kind of like a desk fan with a flat and solid front and rear casing.

some Brembo vane designs to consider here:
https://goo.gl/images/e9MYhR

tom-r33 27 December 2017 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by Rob Day (Post 11979247)
Wow - just read this as I was looking for history on redrilling 114.3PCD into 100PCD discs.

Surely this can be done without redrilling existing holes?

Robert.

yes, you can drill a new set of holes, spaced evenly between the existing holes is the best solution


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