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Need a diesel for the missus, 4-6k to spend, recommendations?
Hi
As title really. We already have a Focus diesel but it's starting to get a little tired now with 200k miles approaching. Was thinking about another Focus, but a newer model, this one has been a brilliant car. Or she would like a Honda Civic. Any others to consider for 4-6k to spend. We have a daughter so 4 door would be best & also a hatchback. Cheers, :thumb: |
I'd go for another Focus - the TDCi unit is a good un, cheap to maintain and run, decent handling, well specced for the money.
Been a lot of issues with Honda diesel clutches and gearboxes. |
Another focus or fabia tdi:thumb:
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Golf or Seat Leon TDI. VAG's Diesel Engine is the best out there bar none. :thumb:
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I would agree with Frosticles but for your budget it would either be quite old or high milage, go for the Focus, will get a better spec for your budget
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Originally Posted by Frosticles
(Post 9934748)
Golf or Seat Leon TDI. VAG's Diesel Engine is the best out there bar none. :thumb:
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 9935019)
Utter tripe. BMW diesels are just one make that kick them into touch. And the interior of a Leon is offensive.
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Originally Posted by Jamescsti
(Post 9934780)
I would agree with Frosticles but for your budget it would either be quite old or high milage, go for the Focus, will get a better spec for your budget
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...ge/1?logcode=p |
Originally Posted by Jamescsti
(Post 9935070)
Your clearly talking your usual BMW Bias, the Leon interior is a very nice place to be, and as you well know a BBMW is well out of his budget
At that budget, Focus all the way. |
My dad has owned a Golf Estate TDi and a Skoda Superb TDi previously, both with the 1.9 engines and never had a break down, I own a Leon with the 2 Litre TDi Engine with no issues other than the Intercooler hose coming off once due to a corroded clip, cost about £2 to sort.
The main issues I am aware of is with the 170 bhp engines and the Dmf Sensor they have, that won't effect the OP as that engine is well out of his budget in any case |
Interior of the Civic is better than them all IMO. All the VAG/BMW interiors are very well put together and functional, but so dull.
I considered just about all of the above cars and the styling of the Type S (exterior and interior) is what swung it for me. Never heard of a problem with the Civic gearboxes, but I agree I've taken a risk on the clutch. Re-maps are pretty much a no-no unless you uprate it to one that isnt very nice to drive with. Though if you do up-rate them, 200bhp and a mountain of torque is easy to achieve :D |
Originally Posted by tonymontana
(Post 9934374)
Hi
with 200k miles approaching. Obviously you have made the choice though.I enjoyed the wife's old fabia with 1.9tdi 130 in though |
bought my misses a c4 vts hdi for 4250 we got 56 mpg cocking about so should be easy over 60 mpg and all the goodies with it like leather seats jbl sound system and directional xenon lights
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Thanks for some other model suggestions, I'll run em by the missus & see what she says.
Cheers. |
Fabia vRS.
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stick to what you know IMO
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 9935019)
Utter tripe. BMW diesels are just one make that kick them into touch. And the interior of a Leon is offensive.
Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 9935150)
VAG make excellent modern and efficient petrols for small cars but their diesels are nothing special and prone to breakdowns..
As said, Awesome engines and would love another one. My BMW just doesn't compare. (2008 E90 320D M Sport) |
You think a mk4 PD150 is BETTER than a 320d? :lol1::lol1::cuckoo::lol1:
Explain how - yes the PD150 was one of the first "fast" diesels but it was rough as hell and the car itself had diabolical handling. I tested one after selling my mk4 R32 and was shocked at how appalling it was (this had 8k miles on the clock and was from a main dealer) after the pretty good R32. Current 2.0TDIs are actually a step backwards too IMO - not very refined, not great on fuel, not that quick, even in 170PS form. The 20d unit is one of the all time greats for power/efficiency and the decent RWD set up is excellent once you ditch the runflats. "M Sporting" a 320d is a bit pointless though - all show, not much go... ;) Anyway all four pot diesels are very very "dieselly" - all sound horrific. Six pots are a billion times nicer, be they from BMW, Audi or Merc. Not BMW fanboyness - just experience backed up with FACTS. :thumb: |
Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 9936518)
You think a mk4 PD150 is BETTER than a 320d? :lol1::lol1::cuckoo::lol1:
Explain how - yes the PD150 was one of the first "fast" diesels but it was rough as hell and the car itself had diabolical handling. I tested one after selling my mk4 R32 and was shocked at how appalling it was (this had 8k miles on the clock and was from a main dealer) after the pretty good R32. Current 2.0TDIs are actually a step backwards too IMO - not very refined, not great on fuel, not that quick, even in 170PS form. The 20d unit is one of the all time greats for power/efficiency and the decent RWD set up is excellent once you ditch the runflats. "M Sporting" a 320d is a bit pointless though - all show, not much go... ;) Anyway all four pot diesels are very very "dieselly" - all sound horrific. Six pots are a billion times nicer, be they from BMW, Audi or Merc. Not BMW fanboyness - just experience backed up with FACTS. :thumb: Matteeboy- Any experience with the BMW 123D? I know its still a four-pot but twin turbo and great power/economy figures! Sorry to steer off-course from op!! |
Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 9936518)
You think a mk4 PD150 is BETTER than a 320d? :lol1::lol1::cuckoo::lol1:
Explain how The PD engine has superior power and torque to the BM with a lot less effort needed to drive it. It also returned much better MPG than the BM. 50+ as opposed to high 30's BOTH sound like a 4 pot diesel as, this is what they are! The BM is smoother in it's delivery as opposed to the PD's Kick you in the back after 1900rpm. But, I preferred that as that power delivery bought a grin to my face every time. The BM is more refined and kind of more comfortable (Even with M Sport suspension) than the Golf. But, I found the Golf to be a more fun drive with more usable power. :thumb: |
Matt - almost! I had a 120d (but the "normal" shape) M Sport as a loan car for two days. TBH I was very impressed indeed - handling was superb, it was genuinely quick. Compact inside, slightly lower rent interior than a 3er or 5er but a great allrounder and very chuckable.
From what I've heard, the 123d is similar but a fair bit quicker - I can also confidently state that bi-turbo diesels are superb - that flat spot you usually get at low revs simply isn't there - ideal! |
The 123D is an excellent car to go for. :thumb:
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Originally Posted by Frosticles
(Post 9936670)
Yes I do. Seeing as I have had long term ownership of BOTH then I think I am rightly qualified. :thumb:
The PD engine has superior power and torque to the BM with a lot less effort needed to drive it. It also returned much better MPG than the BM. 50+ as opposed to high 30's BOTH sound like a 4 pot diesel as, this is what they are! The BM is smoother in it's delivery as opposed to the PD's Kick you in the back after 1900rpm. But, I preferred that as that power delivery bought a grin to my face every time. The BM is more refined and kind of more comfortable (Even with M Sport suspension) than the Golf. But, I found the Golf to be a more fun drive with more usable power. :thumb: Are you comparing chipped to non chipped then? BM of your age would be 177bhp I believe. How is that less powerful than 150bhp? And I've owned a fairly pokey FWD diesel (with a better chassis than the Golf) and even that with 235lbs-ft often wriggled and writhed about, understeered and wheelspan for England. Anyway I'm not into four pot diesels any more. Yes the Landy has one (2.4 litre) but that doesn't count as it's more or less a truck :lol1: |
Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 9934402)
been a lot of issues with Honda diesel clutches and gearboxes.
Originally Posted by rossyboy
(Post 9935185)
Never heard of a problem with the Civic gearboxes, but I agree I've taken a risk on the clutch. Re-maps are pretty much a no-no unless you uprate it to one that isnt very nice to drive with. Though if you do up-rate them, 200bhp and a mountain of torque is easy to achieve :D
Dealer has been great though, picking up tomorrow under their warranty. May not be the first replacement its had either. |
Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 9936685)
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Are you comparing chipped to non chipped then? BM of your age would be 177bhp I believe. How is that less powerful than 150bhp? And I've owned a fairly pokey FWD diesel (with a better chassis than the Golf) and even that with 235lbs-ft often wriggled and writhed about, understeered and wheelspan for England. Anyway I'm not into four pot diesels any more. Yes the Landy has one (2.4 litre) but that doesn't count as it's more or less a truck :lol1: BM is the last of the 163bhp models. |
Forget BMW and their expensive parts
Skoda octavia diesel I ran one for 7 years 80k + miles from new Great car ,excellent build quality and 55mpg every tankful Built to last Why do taxi drivers swear by them . |
I'd go Leon TD mk 1....had the FR 170 TD mk2 nice mota but a tad out of ya budget at the mo.....chipped to 205bhp
but still returned 35mpg round the town!! Torq was some 320+.... |
Originally Posted by lordharding
(Post 9949178)
Why do taxi drivers swear by them .
Im with Matteeboy here, seen far too many engine failures on vw units (not just the 150/170's either), we are talking relatively low mileage, 60k and popped a piston out the side of the engine, just seen another one at a dealer (skoda), my mate runs a seat leon 140 (2ltr tdi) only had 20 odd k on the clock and just outside the warranty, injector went (900 quid to replace :eek: ) garage said they would pay for that and my mate pay for the 400 quid labour. Most commonly seen broken down diesel on the hard shoulder? VW... Where as the tdci engine is not faultless, the later versions are more reliable than the earlier models, and prices on these are very good. Tony:) |
I have a vw golf mk4 gttdi 6 spd and its superb. Drives nob on good fuel economy and bit of poke when needed. Top rod IMO!!!
BTW VW own Skoda. :hjtwofing |
It was only a few weeks ago and this topic came up. Im sure that someone said, maybe Matteboy, I cant remember, that the 4 pot BMWs were fairly unreliable and the good ones are the 6 pots. In an ideal world yes I would love to get a 325d, 330d, 335d but finances dont allow it anymore unfortunately unless I look at a 175k miler. With 320d coming in at around 80k miles is there anything I should be concerned with?
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