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Terminator X 09 March 2011 09:06 AM

Calculating the "value" of a business?
 
Is there an industry standard & how would you guys work it out? This is for a business with little tangible assets ie firm is mostly made up of people only.

Cheers, TX.

dpb 09 March 2011 09:11 AM

Youve got to put a figure on 'goodwill' havnt you ??

tricky

MalcB 09 March 2011 09:38 AM

Interesting topic. Been wondering about selling my business. Some people
reckon valuation can be based on a multiple of annual gross profit. Depending
on the type of business it can be up 6 x GP I think. However, if the business revolves around individuals I expect it is somewhat less.

AndyC_772 09 March 2011 09:51 AM

It's very hard to judge. Does the business own any significant IP or have any valuable contracts? Does it have a well-known brand or significant market share in a particular area?

Devildog 09 March 2011 09:56 AM

There's no real "standard" way of doing it, as it differs from business to business.

If you need a very simple formula, however, you can throw up some numbers along the lines of:

Net profit p/a x max number of years after which the purchaser expects a return on investment + net asset value

So if you've got a business with £500k of net assets (ie free of any security or finance) which generates a net £100k a year, and in that industry any purchaser would expect a return on the outlay in not more than 5 years then the business is worth not more than £1m

But thats way over simplifying it. Ultimately its what anyone is willing to pay.

PLC's are of course different, as are banks, etc, etc, etc.

SJ_Skyline 09 March 2011 11:31 AM

Echo what's been said above.

You might consider the sum of assets: tangible (buildings, contents, stock, etc.) and intangible (IPR, staff experience, contracts, pipeline, etc.) You may even want to put a weighting on these, as you suggest there are few tangible assets with the understood value of the business with its people - your major risk here is that they all clear off and take the clients with them!

As has been mentioned before: ROI is another measure but of course the last couple of years figures may well be skewed.


Ultimately its what anyone is willing to pay
Spot on :thumb:

Offer less than half the asking price and negotiate based on their reaction ;)

Fat Boy 09 March 2011 12:14 PM

Multiple of true EBITDA +/- debtors/creditors. The multiple varies by industry sector/ business vitality i.e. a growing business in sexy industry might get double figure multiples, a moribund business probably won't sell or for a very low figure.

For a people business you need to make sure that the crucial people are all tied in properly - good contracts/restrictive covenants.

Lots more to it than that but that's a back of a fag packet description

stilover 09 March 2011 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Terminator X (Post 9924151)
Is there an industry standard & how would you guys work it out? This is for a business with little tangible assets ie firm is mostly made up of people only.

Cheers, TX.

You need to get a decent accountant. My old man is going through this now (retired and wanting to sell).

It's based on Assets, Bank balance, and profitability.

The only problem is getting people who don't know how to value a company to believe those that do, instead of pulling dumbass valuations out of thin air of around a third of the true value. :rolleyes:

Terminator X 09 March 2011 01:05 PM

The company in question is quite large, 2000+ people worldwide with a turnover of c£150m+ p/a. There's a good reason for asking albeit I don't want to post it here ... happy to PM any interested parties though in order to get a more appropriate response.

TX.

Fat Boy 09 March 2011 01:57 PM

Go on then.

It's what I do for a living...

Simon K 10 March 2011 08:41 AM

hi,

I would be interested in this, so can you pm me ??

I might be ina similar situation soon.

SBK

Fat Boy 10 March 2011 10:17 AM

? All gone quiet.

Terminator X 10 March 2011 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Fat Boy (Post 9924621)
Go on then.

It's what I do for a living...

Apologies fella didn't see your post. PM incoming ...

TX.

Fat Boy 10 March 2011 02:13 PM

No worries. Will give it a gander when it turns up.

Fat Boy 10 March 2011 03:01 PM

Replied.

Cheers

FB


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