Running very rich...
Hey all,
A little advice please. http://www.hampshiresubaru.co.uk/php...on_biggrin.gif I have a UK MY99 turbo wagon which is running seriously rich. It honks of un-burnt fuel form the exhaust and even pops and bangs when changing gear below 3k! I have run a check using the plugs underneath the dash and it reports that the O2 sensor and knock sensor have had it. I've replaced the O2 sensor with a second hand item with no change. I've yet to change the knock sensor. Will I need to perform an ECU reset in order to clear the fault and hope that the second hand O2 sensor is working 100%? The mpg is also a lot more shocking than usual. The exhaust is a 3" system which is daft as the car is basically standard apart from PPP. I'll be changing that soon though. Any help would be grand. :thumb: Ben |
Is it a full decat exhaust?
Ben |
You can do a ECU reset.
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does the error codes stay on permanently? ive found the o2 sensor (error 32) will show when water gets onto the wiring plug for it - can drip down from underpan on bonnet
also, the knock sensor error (22) can be thrown damp/wet connections on the MAF on 99/00 cars - most people say its a failing MAF but i found that once i cleaned up the connectors (also cleaned earthing points) and made a type of shield for the wiring connector for the MAF it went away. the maf sits conviently below the bonnet vent where water & damp can easily get in to it. the shield was simply a plastic bottle with bottom cut out of it that is then mated up to intake pipe |
Originally Posted by ben1413
(Post 9775704)
Hey all,
A little advice please. http://www.hampshiresubaru.co.uk/php...on_biggrin.gif I have a UK MY99 turbo wagon which is running seriously rich. It honks of un-burnt fuel form the exhaust and even pops and bangs when changing gear below 3k! I have run a check using the plugs underneath the dash and it reports that the O2 sensor and knock sensor have had it. I've replaced the O2 sensor with a second hand item with no change. I've yet to change the knock sensor. Will I need to perform an ECU reset in order to clear the fault and hope that the second hand O2 sensor is working 100%? The mpg is also a lot more shocking than usual. The exhaust is a 3" system which is daft as the car is basically standard apart from PPP. I'll be changing that soon though. Any help would be grand. :thumb: Ben Here for the Lambda. And here for the knock sensor. You should do a full ECU reset to ensure the sensor is good after fitting and to clear any stored codes.:)
Originally Posted by Gambit
(Post 9775831)
does the error codes stay on permanently? ive found the o2 sensor (error 32) will show when water gets onto the wiring plug for it - can drip down from underpan on bonnet
also, the knock sensor error (22) can be thrown damp/wet connections on the MAF on 99/00 cars - most people say its a failing MAF but i found that once i cleaned up the connectors (also cleaned earthing points) and made a type of shield for the wiring connector for the MAF it went away. the maf sits conviently below the bonnet vent where water & damp can easily get in to it. the shield was simply a plastic bottle with bottom cut out of it that is then mated up to intake pipe |
Cheers for the replies.
Yes it is a full de-cat. I have had three classic turbos previous to this one and never had a problem running a full de-cat exhaust. Cheers Gambit, I'll give those suggestions a go. Ben |
Originally Posted by b13bat
(Post 9775846)
Yeah classic Lambda failure symptoms. I would replace both sensors with 'new' items. Don't be tempted by the cheap universal Lambdas on ebay, they last about 100 miles (got that t-shirt). And make sure you get the correct KS for your MY.;)
Here for the Lambda. And here for the knock sensor. You should do a full ECU reset to ensure the sensor is good after fitting and to clear any stored codes.:) |
ive a perfectly good knock sensor here if you need it. went down that road before :(
also, if its stuttering/hesitating when trying to accelerate again its MAF symptoms. knock sensor i was told will not cause car to run bad it just removes the ecu capability to wind in timing if knock is detected. Splitpin on here was my fountain of knowledge for issues like this, he knows the 99/00's inside out. |
Originally Posted by Gambit
(Post 9775879)
ive a perfectly good knock sensor here if you need it. went down that road before :(
also, if its stuttering/hesitating when trying to accelerate again its MAF symptoms. knock sensor i was told will not cause car to run bad it just removes the ecu capability to wind in timing if knock is detected. Splitpin on here was my fountain of knowledge for issues like this, he knows the 99/00's inside out. ECU located and bought. :thumb: I'll let you know when it turns up. How is an ECU re-set done? |
Originally Posted by ben1413
(Post 9775903)
How is an ECU re-set done?
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Originally Posted by ben1413
(Post 9775903)
Cheers pal.
ECU located and bought. :thumb: I'll let you know when it turns up. How is an ECU re-set done? ECU reset here http://www.scoobypedia.co.uk/index.p...ledge/ECUReset or you can disconnect battery and leave it sitting over night that'll also clear it |
Originally Posted by Gambit
(Post 9775913)
or you can disconnect battery and leave it sitting over night that'll also clear it
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Cheers guys!
Both pages bookmarked!! |
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Originally Posted by b13bat
(Post 9775931)
Not a good method. If you follow the prescribed procedure, not only is it quicker, but then the ECU runs a final check of all the sensors and flashes either the 'all clear' or a 'fault' sequence.
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Originally Posted by Gambit
(Post 9775943)
never realised it done a final check. i usally just hit the "reset ecu command" on my PS3!
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Update.
I've replaced the o2 sensor and cleared the fault. The knock sensor fault (22) is still showing. The car does not seem to want to boost much. When on wot the car stutters and hesitates. Any more ideas? Ben |
Have you carried out an ecu reset after replacing the sensor?
If you have then it could well be that knock sensor :( Tony:) |
I have also changed the exhaust to a 2.5" system, fully de-catted ans changed the ecu for a standard one.
When I removed the old exhaust there was a spark plug in the tail pipe, presumably for a flammer. Would this affect the running? Cheers |
Originally Posted by TonyBurns
(Post 9782560)
Have you carried out an ecu reset after replacing the sensor?
If you have then it could well be that knock sensor :( Tony:) |
Hmmm a bit more back pressure could mean your now overboosting, does it do it in 3rd, 4th and 5th?
You could try being in 4th gear and putting your foot down from say 2k rpm, if by 4k your feeling those pulses then a good chance its overboosting in the cold weather. Remap time :D or a manual boost controller (though the remap would be better tbh) Tony:) |
Originally Posted by TonyBurns
(Post 9782569)
Hmmm a bit more back pressure could mean your now overboosting, does it do it in 3rd, 4th and 5th?
You could try being in 4th gear and putting your foot down from say 2k rpm, if by 4k your feeling those pulses then a good chance its overboosting in the cold weather. Remap time :D or a manual boost controller (though the remap would be better tbh) Tony:) It doesn't feel like overboosting, more like it's holding back or hesistating slightly. It does it in all gears. The car also doesn't like to be driven in low gears, say 30-35mph in fourth gear. I have an mbc on order. :-) |
Originally Posted by ben1413
(Post 9782577)
Cheers.
It doesn't feel like overboosting, more like it's holding back or hesistating slightly. It does it in all gears. The car also doesn't like to be driven in low gears, say 30-35mph in fourth gear.
Originally Posted by ben1413
(Post 9782577)
I have an mbc on order. :-)
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Originally Posted by b13bat
(Post 9782584)
If the KS is fcuk'd then it is possible that it is sending info that knock is being detected and therefore the ECU is pulling the timing accordingly.
Not really an ideal time to fit a MBC. You will need to know that the engine is running tip top A1 before fitting it. And after that, if raising the boost you will need, at the very least, your AFRs checking to avoid any det occurring. I've got a spare ks that I can try tomorrow. Would this account for the hesitancy too? |
Originally Posted by ben1413
(Post 9782589)
Cheers fella.
I've got a spare ks that I can try tomorrow. Would this account for the hesitancy too? Get that KS swapped out and then see what we have.:thumb: Oh yeah, don't forget the full reset after you've changed it.;) |
Originally Posted by b13bat
(Post 9782606)
It is possible, yes.
Get that KS swapped out and then see what we have.:thumb: Oh yeah, don't forget the full reset after you've changed it.;) |
Right then, the saga continues....
I have changed the Knock sensor and O2 sensor for genuine items. The maf has been checked and is fine. The ecu has been re-set and there are no faults found. But....... The car still runs very rich. It almost smells like a two stroke on start up from the exhaust. It still pops and bangs when driving under normal conditions and sometimes when on constant throttle it pops constantly. MPG is still down too. The car is booked in with Subaru 4 U on the 10th but does anyone have any more ideas? Cheers Ben |
do you have any means of checking your fuel pressure ?
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Originally Posted by P1Drifter
(Post 9861224)
do you have any means of checking your fuel pressure ?
Could it be that the fuel pump is faulty? |
fuel pump would usually cause it to go lean, i was thinking about the regulator or possibly a leaky injector
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