occasional stalling problem
Hi guys,
Mods - PP chip, Fulll decat, FMIC, Induction kit, Dump valve. Having nothing but problem with the impreza just lately. It has started stalling occasionally, ie - when coming up to traffic lights, or coming to a stop. Did it twice today, once when pulling into a layby, and the second after giving it some beans and slowing for a roundabout. When it stalls, there is also the strong smell of fuel. It starts back up fine. The revs do occasionally dip very low, but then rise back upto 1k which is what it always idles at. Have done a fault check using the plugs, and it came back all clear. Any ideas? |
check the maf first of all mate.
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Originally Posted by dabow
(Post 9758899)
check the maf first of all mate.
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not always mate. a mate had an issue where the car jmust stalled, he was toldit was this/that & the other if the maf is recked, it wont advance or retard the engine for the cooler air, and can course it to stall.
might just need cleaning. other thing, if you have a mate with the same sort of maf. ask to use it, to see if this stalling stops |
If your smelling fuel, i would be tempted to say Lambda. Easily checked with a multi-meter mate. See JGM site for the pin out on the ECU.:)
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Originally Posted by b13bat
(Post 9758956)
If your smelling fuel, i would be tempted to say Lambda. Easily checked with a multi-meter mate. See JGM site for the pin out on the ECU.:)
Have been reading about the Bailey dump valves causing some stalling issues, so im also gunna ditch that and see if that makes any difference. Will check Lambda and MAF with a multimeter. |
a lamba will make the car run rich, but can not see it stall
but come across agood couple with the maf at foult. and no cell |
Originally Posted by musso2010
(Post 9758880)
Hi guys,
Mods - PP chip, Fulll decat, FMIC, Induction kit, Dump valve. Having nothing but problem with the impreza just lately. It has started stalling occasionally, ie - when coming up to traffic lights, or coming to a stop. Did it twice today, once when pulling into a layby, and the second after giving it some beans and slowing for a roundabout. When it stalls, there is also the strong smell of fuel. It starts back up fine. The revs do occasionally dip very low, but then rise back upto 1k which is what it always idles at. Have done a fault check using the plugs, and it came back all clear. Any ideas? What model and year? It may be possible to make adjustments to the idle control valve to keep it running but that is not the whole answer. It needs mapped for the current mods. |
Originally Posted by musso2010
(Post 9758966)
Thanks mate, I fitted the J1 resistor today... Im so glad i can turn it back to the PP map. I completed the fault check and it all came back clear so i guess thats a bonus :thumb:
Originally Posted by musso2010
(Post 9758966)
Have been reading about the Bailey dump valves causing some stalling issues, so im also gunna ditch that and see if that makes any difference. Will check Lambda and MAF with a multimeter.
Originally Posted by dabow
(Post 9758999)
a lamba will make the car run rich, but can not see it stall
but come across agood couple with the maf at foult. and no cell |
As Harvey says.
Also, What is a PP chip? Since you refer to jumper J1 - i bnelieve this is on the ecu board to swap between the 2 rom sockets - then it would be a ScoobyECU clone or the jap originals ( Mines etc. ) or possibly the later live mapping board. This PP chip is still a generic map for a set of mods and raised bost etc.. Also as said above, MAF sounds most likely fault. Swap with a mate's, to check. Also, on idle, pull off the electrical pulg and see what happens. No change, MAF is poorly; stalling then MAF was generally OK. You can clean with carb degreaser spray by squirting down the tube, when it is off the car. VTA dump valves also mess up the air/fuel ratio as you dump out the measured air so the ecu puts in too much fuel ( thinks there is more in that you just let out! ). Swap back to std or aftermarket recirc dump valve and try. |
I'd ditch all of the mods untill you get an esl board or a decent mappable ecu to cater for the mods as your running on borrowed time. Is the induction kit bolted on to anything to stop it moving, if its not this will fcuk every maf you put on due to the vibration... You cant stick mods on these cars unless you get the map tweaked for every one...
P.s edited to say ignore the post above where he tells you to unplug the maf, this is sh1te, dont do it. Its pish... |
Originally Posted by vulnax999
(Post 9759054)
Also, on idle, pull off the electrical pulg and see what happens.
No change, MAF is poorly; stalling then MAF was generally OK.
Originally Posted by f4la k
(Post 9759055)
I'd ditch all of the mods untill you get an esl board or a decent mappable ecu to cater for the mods as your running on borrowed time.
Originally Posted by f4la k
(Post 9759055)
Is the induction kit bolted on to anything to stop it moving, if its not this will fcuk every maf you put on due to the vibration...
Originally Posted by f4la k
(Post 9759055)
You cant stick mods on these cars unless you get the map tweaked for every one...
Originally Posted by f4la k
(Post 9759055)
P.s edited to say ignore the post above where he tells you to unplug the maf, this is sh1te, dont do it. Its pish...
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i wouldnt say its the chip, but would say, was it mapped for the cars setup?
or generic map. im not saying the chip isnt up for it, but if it was never put on the rollers, and set up proper. theres no such thing with scoobs, all being the same no 2 cars are alike in the scooby world. |
B13bat, everyone to there own but chips are sh1te. They were maybe ok in the 90's when fitted and checked on a dyno with a set of cans, But no chip no matter where it comes from caters for and adjusts the safe engine parameters of the ecu..
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Originally Posted by f4la k
(Post 9759144)
B13bat, everyone to there own but chips are sh1te. They were maybe ok in the 90's when fitted and checked on a dyno with a set of cans, But no chip no matter where it comes from caters for and adjusts the safe engine parameters of the ecu..
but once mapped, you need to replace the eproms & again put on the rollers, and setup again esl made an earler board, and there was the scooby ecu form scooby clinic. but genearic maps arenot trusted in most cases, specialy if more mods have been done. |
Originally Posted by f4la k
(Post 9759144)
...chips are sh1te.
Originally Posted by f4la k
(Post 9759144)
They were maybe ok in the 90's when fitted and checked on a dyno with a set of cans,
Originally Posted by f4la k
(Post 9759144)
But no chip no matter where it comes from caters for and adjusts the safe engine parameters of the ecu..
I have never seen a thread titled "The Chip I Fitted Fcuk'd My Engine". They can and do cause issues, but this is usually due to the fitness of the car/engine prior to fitting. There where 100's if not 1000's of ScoobyECU chips fitted, then the same amount of PP chips and the chips continue to be sold and fitted to this day. Just because you have a mappable ECU fitted and mapped by Andy F does not automatically mean that all other routes are a no go. I have had a PP chip fitted for well over 3 years now. I monitor my AFRs, knock and all other variables myself. I can assure you, Scott.T and all others involved in the development (including Subaru) did a fine job and there is still a good margin of safety. |
well thats why subaru put the port in there ecu.
there in no way rubbish, im using the live map board know. and the engine runs mint but again, these need to be set up proper. but once setup/mapped. needs to be put on the rollers again and setup for mods saying that, aftermarket ecu's also need a remap too. this was only on the 93/96 models. esl are keeping to this method and working on ones for the 97/98 models. same basis. and as said, the standard ecu's subaru have, are really the best ecu you can use on your scoob. as they do really work via the 3 main sensors: maf/lamba & knock sensor. |
Well my car has had the chip fitted for 4+ years and its never had any problems. Maybe its not the best way of doing things when compared to a live map etc... but i do believe that the Polar Performance Chip is a safe and cheap alternative for some extra bhp.
Im gunna check the MAF later today, do a dump valve delete and see where that gets me. Thanks for the input guys.:thumb: |
pretty sure it will be nothing to do with that chip in anyway.
will be something silly in the end mate. |
i have a PP chip (cheers Steve). And it ROCKS!!!
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Ay up Peter. All well??;)
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not bad at all my firend, still havent got round to videoing my exhaust, i'll blame the cold weather : )
I have did a 250mile round trip in the cairngorms yesterday and the car was faultless. even with the colder weather i hold a steady 1.1 bar all day long now. for the OP, tried cleaning the iacv? when i ran a baileys and had some dodgy idle i took mine off and the shut valve thing was just covered in gunk. once cleaned it idled perfectly. otherwise could be MAF. and for someone to say chips are sh*te is just madness!! just because its old and everyone now gets ecutek or whatever doesn't mean its crap! pp map i though was conservative just like........prodrive ecu. are they mapped for every single car? or is it a dealer fit and forget item....... |
All sorted now i think. Removed the Baileys and fitted a bung, and also found a tiny pin hole in the pipe from the boost control solenoid to the turbo. Car is ticking over nicely now, and the boost is a LOT stronger to the redline, full boost by 3.5k.
Thanks for all the help.:thumb: |
if it helps at all i run a 2mm restrictor. i used a ballpoint pen nib, funnily enough with the calipers on its 2mm bang on!
the 1.2mm restrictor caused slower spool for some reason |
Originally Posted by morandpeter
(Post 9762024)
if it helps at all i run a 2mm restrictor. i used a ballpoint pen nib, funnily enough with the calipers on its 2mm bang on!
the 1.2mm restrictor caused slower spool for some reason |
Originally Posted by morandpeter
(Post 9761349)
not bad at all my firend,
Originally Posted by morandpeter
(Post 9761349)
still havent got round to videoing my exhaust, i'll blame the cold weather : )
Originally Posted by morandpeter
(Post 9761349)
I have did a 250mile round trip in the cairngorms yesterday and the car was faultless. even with the colder weather i hold a steady 1.1 bar all day long now.
Originally Posted by morandpeter
(Post 9761349)
...and for someone to say chips are sh*te is just madness!! just because its old and everyone now gets ecutek or whatever doesn't mean its crap!
pp map i though was conservative just like........prodrive ecu. are they mapped for every single car? or is it a dealer fit and forget item.......
Originally Posted by musso2010
(Post 9761909)
All sorted now i think. Removed the Baileys and fitted a bung, and also found a tiny pin hole in the pipe from the boost control solenoid to the turbo. Car is ticking over nicely now, and the boost is a LOT stronger to the redline, full boost by 3.5k.
Thanks for all the help.:thumb: Oh, and your welcome.;) |
Originally Posted by musso2010
(Post 9761909)
All sorted now i think. Removed the Baileys and fitted a bung, and also found a tiny pin hole in the pipe from the boost control solenoid to the turbo. Car is ticking over nicely now, and the boost is a LOT stronger to the redline, full boost by 3.5k.
Thanks for all the help.:thumb: |
hi all, new to this flat4 turbo stuff. picked my 93 wrx import up friday advertised with a cutting out loss of power problem. and this is the case, can get about 10 minutes of driving out of it before it starts dropping revs on its own, very intermittant and does cut out most of the time when this happens. was told by a mechanic friend to disconnect the mfa and see if it still cuts out. so did this and it runs very lumpy but doesnt cut out as at.............
does this mean I have a broken mfa? also what do the colours mean? mine has a blue sticker on it with a letter C. whats the difference between this one and the other colours out there???? any help would be really appreciated. |
Originally Posted by tattooRick
(Post 9878382)
hi all, new to this flat4 turbo stuff. picked my 93 wrx import up friday advertised with a cutting out loss of power problem. and this is the case, can get about 10 minutes of driving out of it before it starts dropping revs on its own, very intermittant and does cut out most of the time when this happens. was told by a mechanic friend to disconnect the mfa and see if it still cuts out. so did this and it runs very lumpy but doesnt cut out as at.............
does this mean I have a broken mfa? also what do the colours mean? mine has a blue sticker on it with a letter C. whats the difference between this one and the other colours out there???? any help would be really appreciated. |
Originally Posted by musso2010
(Post 9758966)
Thanks mate, I fitted the J1 resistor today... Im so glad i can turn it back to the PP map. I completed the fault check and it all came back clear so i guess thats a bonus :thumb:
Have been reading about the Bailey dump valves causing some stalling issues, so im also gunna ditch that and see if that makes any difference. Will check Lambda and MAF with a multimeter. |
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