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MrNoisy 17 March 2010 01:20 AM

Newage Oil Change Guide
 
I hope some of you will find this useful.
If I miss anything - please post and I'll update the guide.
This is only a document of what I did and I take no responsibility for any damage you do to your vehicle as a result of following these instructions!
If in doubt, let a garage do it for you!

Right, so here's what you'll need:
- A socket set
- Axle Stands
- Jack / Trolley Jack
- Wheel chocks
- New Subaru Oil Filter and crush washer
- 4.5 Litres of Good quality engine Oil, Silkolene / Millers etc. Probably 10W40 or 10W50 for the UK (taken from a post by Sharkman in drivetrain forum)
- Optional - Oil filter grips and torque wrench

I bought the oil, filter and washer from Scoobyparts for just under 60.
I also bought a new magnetic oil drain plug from Motorsport Developments (as advertised on Scoobynet) but this is obviously an optional extra.

Some members use a flushing additive (e.g. Wurths (thanks Scooby Hoo)) added to a warm engine, allowed to tick over for at least 15-20 minutes prior to the old oil being drained.
Other members (Mick & Splitpin) don't advocate use of this due to the contaminants the flush may loosen and leave floating around in the engine bay. For this reason, I'm leaving this as a personal preference - I didn't use it for my oil change.

To start, ideally you want the car on a flat surface.
Note that I didn't have that luxury; mine was on a slope facing downhill.

Chock the rear wheels..(note that if the car's on the flat you would probably want the chocks behind the wheels not in front; in this case they're in front of the wheels because my car was facing downhill)
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0187.JPG

...then jack up the front of the car and support on axle stands:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/Img_0190.jpg

Using a 12mm socket, remove the 5 bolts for the plastic cover that sits underneath the engine, and then the 2 plastic plugs on either wheel arch. Your car may have more plastic plugs than mine; I imagine they disappear over the years! Unfortunately, whilst the plastic cover incorporates a cover to remove the oil drain plug, it doesn't include a cover to remove the filter!!

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0194.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/Img_0193.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0197.JPG
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0196.JPG

If you're really fussy you can also use this time to note / replace any other missing plastic clips.

You should now have access to the oil drain plug and filter.
The next step is to remove the oil filler cap to allow quicker drainage; so
unscrew it and place it somewhere safe.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0203.JPG

Now place your oil tray / catch under the car (Edit - I've since bought a larger oil pan which made life much easier!)
If you have some plastic sheeting or anything else to catch any spilt oil, get it into place now. I used a tray and an oil change can from Halfrauds for about 10 in total but you can probably buy better - still managed to have a
few accidental spills! Toolstation or similar do decent oil pans for less than a fiver.

Once it's in place, it's time for the oil drain plug to come out.
Using a 17mm socket, remove the plug carefully and try and withdraw it by hand rather than dropping it into the tray if you're planning to re-use it.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0202.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0212.JPG

Now just let the oil drain out....
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0208.JPG

Once this has finished, you may need to reposition the catch tray slightly below the oil filter as this will have to come off next.
If you're lucky you'll be able to undo the filter by hand. If not, it's time for the oil filter removal grips (or if you don't have any you'll have to bang a screwdriver through it (carefully!) to loosen it).
I had to use the grips to get mine off.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/Img_0217.jpg

Once loose, unscrew the filter by hand and remove, positioning the tray to catch the oil that will drip out.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0215.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0218.JPG

Once the oil finishes dripping out, it's time to replace the drain plug (or use the new one if you go for a magnetic item).
Take the new crush washer, and place it over the plug with the thinner edge facing the sump as shown:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0211.JPG
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0214.JPG

Then replace the plug in the sump; be careful not to overtighten - the fit should be tight but not thread snapping tight!
OR If you have a torque wrench, tighten the plug to 44Nm (Thanks Mick :thumb:)
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0224.JPG

Next, fit the new filter. Take your Subaru filter and remove the plastic packaging...
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0219.JPG

...smear the new filter's seal with some new oil, then top the filter full of the oil you're using.

Note that the filter will take more oil than you may expect it to, so top it up, wait for it to be absorbed, and then keep topping up it stops bubbling and the level remains constant.
I seem to recall it took between 4-5 top ups before it was finally "full".
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0220.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0221.JPG

...then screw it into place by hand. Tighten as much as you can go BY HAND.
This should be sufficient to fit the filter.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0223.JPG

Now it's just a case of refilling the engine with oil:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_M5v40ZsHL7Q/S6...0/IMG_0226.JPG

I added 3 litres and then left it to settle for 10 minutes before running the engine for 2 minutes, leaving for another 10 and then topping up as per the dipstick. The official filling capacity (according to Graham Goode Racing) is 4.5 litres.

You should then reach under the alternator and undo the crank sensor, shown here (it's fairly simple to spot and access):
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3...RANKSENSOR.jpg
If you have difficulty reaching it you can unbolt the alternator etc but I had no issues.

Once you've topped up the oil and disconnected the sensor, crank the engine until the oil warning light goes out (cheers Simon AKA Jolly Green Monster :thumb:).
The engine warning light will probably come on too but once you've restarted the car 3 times it will go out without the need to remove the fault code with a reader (thanks to Splitpin for this info).

Once you're happy that there are no leaks, clear all your tools, replace the oil filler cap, refit the engine cover (if you want - or bin it if you're not fussed) and then get the car back on the ground and take it for a test drive.
Providing there are no leaks when you get back you should be done.

GezP 17 March 2010 01:54 AM

good clear write up mate, great images to show

Splitpin 17 March 2010 05:15 AM

Hmmmm, good attempt, but incomplete. Dude, without wanting to sound too disparaging, this is a subject that has been covered plenty times before, both more completely and succinctly than this. Was there really a need to have another go?

It works as far as it goes but I'm not sure where you think the crank position sensor is. It couldn't be much easier to locate and disconnect - are you sure you're looking in the right place (i.e. underneath the alternator, just behind the timing belt cover)?

You've also forgotten about/failed to mention filling the new filter up with oil prior to fitting it. That's a pretty major omission - and it's difficult to understand how you can be around here as long as you've been and not have heard about it!

mirrorman 17 March 2010 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Splitpin (Post 9290640)

It works as far as it goes but I'm not sure where you think the crank position sensor is. It couldn't be much easier to locate and disconnect - are you sure you're looking in the right place (i.e. underneath the alternator, just behind the timing belt cover)?

You've also forgotten about/failed to mention filling the new filter up with oil prior to fitting it. That's a pretty major omission - and it's difficult to understand how you can be around here as long as you've been and not have heard about it!


Disconnection the CP sensor is a personal preference and dosnt really need to be documented.
Also I can clearly see he mentions filling up the filter, so look again. and his posted was edited before you wrote yours so thats not an excuse.

FFForester 17 March 2010 11:11 AM

Good job with the pics.
Another tip from me...don't try it on a windy day, when the flow slows down it blows all over the frickin place, I learnt the hard way.

MrNoisy 18 March 2010 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Splitpin (Post 9290640)
Hmmmm, good attempt, but incomplete. Dude, without wanting to sound too disparaging, this is a subject that has been covered plenty times before, both more completely and succinctly than this. Was there really a need to have another go?

It works as far as it goes but I'm not sure where you think the crank position sensor is. It couldn't be much easier to locate and disconnect - are you sure you're looking in the right place (i.e. underneath the alternator, just behind the timing belt cover)?

You've also forgotten about/failed to mention filling the new filter up with oil prior to fitting it. That's a pretty major omission - and it's difficult to understand how you can be around here as long as you've been and not have heard about it!

If this has been done more completely why isn't there one of these in the technical archive? I didn't find a guide with images when I googled it so wrote this one for other people on SN.
perhaps you could offer some assistance in fleshing it out to your higher standard instead??
And btw I did mention filling the filter with oil if u read it; there's even a pic of the filter with the oil can; sorry, I didn't take the pic whilst pouring it!
The crank sensor - I could see it, but the area appeared too cramped to me to get my fingers in and disconnect it. How do u do it without removing other parts?

Scooby Hoo? 18 March 2010 08:53 AM

Well I think you done OK Bugeye_Scoob.

I also like to use a GOOD quality flushing additive added to a warm engine, which is allowed to tick over for at least 15-20 minutes prior to the old oil being drained.

Just need you to do a write up on "Changing the gearbox and diff oils"

Surprised that you weren't criticized for using the "WRONG" oil ??????? LOL

JohnD 18 March 2010 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by Bugeye_Scoob (Post 9292571)
And btw I did mention filling the filter with oil if u read it; there's even a pic of the filter with the oil can; sorry, I didn't take the pic whilst pouring it!
The crank sensor - I could see it, but the area appeared too cramped to me to get my fingers in and disconnect it. How do u do it without removing other parts?

Good attempt at a picture guide to the job. And I saw the 'fill filter' bit although it should be emphasised that it takes a few goes at getting the filter completely filled as the oil soakes from the inner to outer part through the filter material.
Access to the crank sensor is made a little easier by unbolting the alt. belt cover and swinging it out of the way.
Well done, mate

JohnD

MrNoisy 18 March 2010 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by Scooby Hoo? (Post 9292592)
Well I think you done OK Bugeye_Scoob.

I also like to use a GOOD quality flushing additive added to a warm engine, which is allowed to tick over for at least 15-20 minutes prior to the old oil being drained.

Just need you to do a write up on "Changing the gearbox and diff oils"

Surprised that you weren't criticized for using the "WRONG" oil ??????? LOL


Originally Posted by JohnD (Post 9292891)
Good attempt at a picture guide to the job. And I saw the 'fill filter' bit although it should be emphasised that it takes a few goes at getting the filter completely filled as the oil soakes from the inner to outer part through the filter material.
Access to the crank sensor is made a little easier by unbolting the alt. belt cover and swinging it out of the way.
Well done, mate

JohnD

Thanks for the more constructive feedback guys, I will update the guide as per your instructions. :thumb:
Scooby Hoo - care to recommend a flush?
John D - re the filter taking a lot of oil - tell me about it mate - I was amazed how much that little filter soaked up before it was full!
The crank sensor I thought would still be a bugger to get to even if I did unbolt that cover - maybe I just have big hands :lol1:

Splitpin 18 March 2010 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by Bugeye_Scoob (Post 9292571)
If this has been done more completely why isn't there one of these in the technical archive? Perhaps you could offer some assistance in fleshing it out to your higher standard instead??

I've assisted more than a few people around here, on this subject as well as others. You'll have to ask the mods what threads go in the technical archive and what don't.


And btw I did mention filling the filter with oil if u read it; there's even a pic of the filter with the oil can; sorry, I didn't take the pic whilst pouring it!
Yes, I caught the reference to "topping" the filter the second time I read it. Thing that doesn't help is that it's accompanied by a photo of an empty filter.

As has already been said and you've acknowledged, merely filling the filter up to the top and fitting it immediately, as your photo story suggested, will only result in it being about a quarter full once the medium has absorbed your first pour. As you acknowledge in one of your later posts, it takes a while to properly fill the filter - and in this respect your original write-up doesn't cover it properly.

If I'm doing this the first thing I do, before even touching the car, is to take the new filter out of the packet and put a first pour in it. That way you can go back and top it up a couple of times as you're doing the earlier parts of the job, so that by the time you're ready to put it on, it's well and truly saturated and genuinely full.


The crank sensor - I could see it, but the area appeared too cramped to me to get my fingers in and disconnect it. How do u do it without removing other parts?
There's plenty enough space to reach in and pull it off with your finger and thumb. Unless you have the hands of an England goalkeeper of course.

Engine flush is a majorly bad idea on these engines and should not be in any way necessary when the oil and filter are changed at appropriate intervals.

Incidentally, while someone joked earlier about you recommending the wrong oil, 10w/60 is too thick for these cars under most circumstances.

MrNoisy 18 March 2010 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by Splitpin (Post 9293328)
I've assisted more than a few people around here, on this subject as well as others. You'll have to ask the mods what threads go in the technical archive and what don't.

Yes, I caught the reference to "topping" the filter the second time I read it. Thing that doesn't help is that it's accompanied by a photo of an empty filter.

As has already been said and you've acknowledged, merely filling the filter up to the top and fitting it immediately, as your photo story suggested, will only result in it being about a quarter full once the medium has absorbed your first pour. As you acknowledge in one of your later posts, it takes a while to properly fill the filter - and in this respect your original write-up doesn't cover it properly.

If I'm doing this the first thing I do, before even touching the car, is to take the new filter out of the packet and put a first pour in it. That way you can go back and top it up a couple of times as you're doing the earlier parts of the job, so that by the time you're ready to put it on, it's well and truly saturated and genuinely full.

There's plenty enough space to reach in and pull it off with your finger and thumb. Unless you have the hands of an England goalkeeper of course.

Engine flush is a majorly bad idea on these engines and should not be in any way necessary when the oil and filter are changed at appropriate intervals.

Incidentally, while someone joked earlier about you recommending the wrong oil, 10w/60 is too thick for these cars under most circumstances.

Hi,

Thanks for your comments - happy to add them if you let me know where you think it needs updating. That's why I invited everyone to comment in the 1st instance.

The oil thing - fair enough - note I've updated the write up to include a red section to detail that point. I'll see if I can find another pic to complement it.

I honestly could not get my hands in to disconnect that sensor - I reckon I must have fat fingers - it was easily visible but no way could I disconnect it easily without having a better grip on it and the clearance didn't allow for that.

In terms of 10w60, I picked the same oil Greenwood Racing use in their servicing. What would you recommend then? 5w30?

Scooby Dan 18 March 2010 05:07 PM

Good guide, thanks for taking the trouble to put it together.
Oil choice is a personal thing, I also use Millers 10 60 but I am running a pretty highly modified 2.5 with forged internals, Millers now do a 10 50 which may be better suited to more standard engines.

This subject has indeed been covered before, I will always remember a guide written many years ago by PS Lewis which involved dancing around the car with little bells on your shoes like morris dancers while the oil drains out.

Scooby Hoo? 19 March 2010 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Bugeye_Scoob (Post 9292966)
Scooby Hoo - care to recommend a flush?

WURTHS will do the job just fine :)

Scooby Hoo? 19 March 2010 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Splitpin (Post 9293328)
Engine flush is a majorly bad idea on these engines and should not be in any way necessary when the oil and filter are changed at appropriate intervals.


I would be very interested to know on what information you have based your comment. Perhaps you can post up the link to Subaru's relevant report detailing why it is not recommended. :thumb:

As you correctly piont out the oil/filters should be changed at the manufactures recommended intervals. Which I'm sure most that read this do to the mile or before.:)

Subaru also advise that all work should be carried out by your local "Subaru Dealer" :wonder:

Mr. WRX 20 March 2010 02:41 PM

Thanks for the guide, Im using this to change my oil on my 03 wrx tomorrow .... just wanted to check the cam sensor i gotta remove is under the alternator and i just unclip it

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6494/81036340.jpg

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7146/72429974.jpg

Thank you

Edit: Sorry for the big photos

JohnD 20 March 2010 02:49 PM

Just to make a small correction - that's the crank position sensor, not the cam.
before replacing it, I usually give a squirt of switch cleaner on the contacts.

JohnD

Myles 20 March 2010 03:03 PM

Cheers bud, nice write up.

Splitpin, if you can see so many errors, why dont YOU write the fricking thing, and while you are at it do one for gearbox and diff oils.

The OP didnt need to take pics at every stage of his oil change, how many on here do for the good of others, so good on him for doing so.

Splitpin 20 March 2010 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by Scooby Hoo? (Post 9294933)
I would be very interested to know on what information you have based your comment.

Personal experience. Putting a diluant in the old oil and allowing it to course around the engine for 15 minutes or so means that your engine is spending a quarter of an hour in the company of a lubrication system that isn't working properly. Even at idle that's far from ideal, and that's without even thinking about the possibility of the old oil being in less than ideal condition before the flush was added.

It's worse again for those who don't pull the crank sensor as it means that the first restart will not only occur with the oil system containing a significant quantity of air, it also means that whatever oil's left in the bearings will be compromised by the presence of the flush.


Perhaps you can post up the link to Subaru's relevant report detailing why it is not recommended. :thumb:
At no point did I claim that there was one. You won't find "Subaru's relevant report" detailing pre-filling of the oil filter and removal of the crank position sensor either, but yet Bugeye Scoob still included them in his original draft. Therefore, not sure what your point is.


As you correctly piont out the oil/filters should be changed at the manufactures recommended intervals.
No, I pointed out no such thing. The words "manufactures" <sic> and "recommended" weren't contained anywhere within my post. The term I used was "appropriate intervals".


Subaru also advise that all work should be carried out by your local "Subaru Dealer" :wonder:
Yes, and...? What point are you trying to make?


Originally Posted by Myles (Post 9297458)
Splitpin, if you can see so many errors, why dont YOU write the fricking thing, and while you are at it do one for gearbox and diff oils.

I have, on all of the subjects above. Before trotting out ill-considered comments like that you might want to take a gander at my posting history.

Having been there and done that, as it were, I'm well aware that part of the reason threads like this have limited value is that they eventually drift off the first page and get forgotten about, until someone else has the bright idea of posting one and the whole process repeats. It therefore follows that, just like this case, others with experience and opinions to add will do so.

merlin24 20 March 2010 03:44 PM

Have to agree with Splitpin on the engine flush - it is designed to loosen the tarnish/carbon partical's and suspend it in the oil until it is drained out.
I would not want contaminates circulating around my bearing journals and shells even for a short period of time :nono:

If you own a torque wrench, then you can torque the sump drain plug up
to 44Nm with a new washer.



Mick

Myles 20 March 2010 03:49 PM

Hold on buddy, you just commented that "You'll have to ask the mods what threads go in the technical archive and what don't. ". If you expect me to extensively rifle through your extensive posting history, then you obviously have more time on your hands than me.

There is a difference between adding to the guide, as others above have and (although you commented you didnt want to sound too disparaging) just being disparaging.

I would appreciate it, as many others would, if you could add to the guide so that it is a full and accurate report. I, being a bit of a biff when it comes to much on my car, would find your experience and knowledge invaluable.

(P.S. I will endeavour to flick through your posts to get some tips, and will add them to my bookmarks.) :thumb:

robl 20 March 2010 03:55 PM

Bugeye_Scoob - Nice guide, thx very much and i will be using it to do my oil/filter change.

Splitpin 20 March 2010 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by Myles (Post 9297543)
If you expect me to extensively rifle through your extensive posting history, then you obviously have more time on your hands than me.

You were the one who came in here trying to ping me for criticising posters for attempting something I''m not prepared to do myself. Your accusation is unfounded because, as above, I have done it, and the evidence is in my "extensive" posting history. So either make the time to read it or accept at this point that your original accusation was unfounded and inaccurate.

If you don't have enough "time on your hands" to check whether criticisms you make of other posters are justified prior to making them, or indeed when the inaccuracy of your criticism is pointed out, keep it to yourself.


There is a difference between adding to the guide, as others above have and (although you commented you didnt want to sound too disparaging) just being disparaging.
I've criticised constructively and explained why (and what I'd do different) where necessary.


I would appreciate it, as many others would, if you could add to the guide so that it is a full and accurate report.
I already have. See post #10, in particular from the sentence that reads "If I'm doing this...", and also the comments above re. use of "flush".

It's entirely up to the OP whether he wants to amend the guide as a result of input from any of us. Not like I can dive in and edit it for him.

BigBez 20 March 2010 04:27 PM

WoW i cant believe ive just read all these replys to something as simple as an oil and filter change. You guys worry too much.

crank sensor off ? im sure every garage recommends that lol - i have never even replaced the sump washer and or bolt if it aint broke dont fix.

guess lifes to short to worry for me, i like things simple for my simple mind :lol1:

Mr. WRX 20 March 2010 04:55 PM

Sorry guys but is that the crank sensor i gotta disconnect in that photo above?

joz8968 20 March 2010 05:04 PM

Yes.

Mr. WRX 20 March 2010 05:18 PM

thanks all :cool:

MrNoisy 22 March 2010 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by Mr. WRX (Post 9297701)
thanks all :cool:

And dude - if you do manage to get at it let me know how you managed, because that was the connector I was trying to get at and NO WAY were my fat fingers getting in there!

MrNoisy 22 March 2010 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by BigBez (Post 9297605)
WoW i cant believe ive just read all these replys to something as simple as an oil and filter change. You guys worry too much.

crank sensor off ? im sure every garage recommends that lol - i have never even replaced the sump washer and or bolt if it aint broke dont fix.

guess lifes to short to worry for me, i like things simple for my simple mind :lol1:

Sump bolt you don't need to replace anyway mate - like I said, it was an optional thing for me; as mine is getting on for nearly 80k I chose a stronger magnetic drain plug to catch any metal particles that might be floating around. Supposed to be very good.
Crush washer I believe should be replaced generally to avoid leaks more than anything else.

Mr. WRX 24 March 2010 01:01 PM

Done the oil change (Sunday) .. all is good so far .. the main bit which was anoying was undoing the under tray ... never had any ramps so was a bit awkward! Specially the clips on the back !!!

One thing to mention is that when undoing the Crank Sensor and turning it over ... the ecu throws up a code (engine light comes on) but lucky i had purchased a code reader off ebay which can delete them (it cost me 50 at subaru last time to check and delete a code) !!!


Originally Posted by Bugeye_Scoob (Post 9301185)
And dude - if you do manage to get at it let me know how you managed, because that was the connector I was trying to get at and NO WAY were my fat fingers getting in there!

It was quite difficult .. i have long boney fingers lol ... come at it from the right side between the alternator belt

:thumb:

Splitpin 24 March 2010 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. WRX (Post 9305350)
One thing to mention is that when undoing the Crank Sensor and turning it over ... the ecu throws up a code (engine light comes on) but lucky i had purchased a code reader off ebay which can delete them (it cost me 50 at subaru last time to check and delete a code) !!!

For what it's worth, while there's nothing wrong with doing the above, there's no need for every newage owner to shell out on an OBDII tool. The CEL should switch off by itself after either three or six successful starts, forget the exact number. It'll remain on the ECU's historic memory but that's nothing to worry about, it won't affect performance in any way - and it's not as though you don't know the cause.


Originally Posted by Bugeye_Scoob (Post 9301187)
Some members (cheers Scooby Hoo) have advised you can use a good quality flushing additive added to a warm engine, allowed to tick over for at least 15-20 minutes prior to the old oil being drained. I didn't do that in this case but it's probably not bad advice - if anyone wants to recommend one I'll stick it in here.

Bugeye, if you're going to update your original post in the light of Scoobyhoo's input, would it not also be fair to potential readers of it to reference the comments from Mick and myself re. the use of "engine flush"?


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