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Losing the will to live!
Geez, it's all bollux! The sooner this general election campaign is over the better. I mean, if I want to know what the Tory policies will be (well, kinda, anyway ....) I'll ask them. I don't want the (Old) Labour party to keep telling me what the Tories will do. I want (Old) Labour to tell me what (Old) Labour are going to do.
You'll note that now Flash has mentioned the previously unutterable 'c' word (cuts) we now have (Old) Labour trying to distinguish between (Old) Labour 'cuts' and the Tories 'savage cuts' .... :Suspiciou Just seen that snake Mandlebum on the box ... the choice is between 'Conservatives who lurch to the 'right' whenever they get a whiff of power ...' (sorry, what is wrong with being right wing???) or '... a Labour party resolutely anchored in the progressive centre of British politics ....' (Cue a faint smattering of applause). I mean, WTF is he talking about???? Noone, outside of Westminster, gives a monkeys what adjectives ministers want to give to their politics, they just want to know what their policies are ....... Aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhh ...................................... |
Originally Posted by hutton_d
(Post 8967351)
Geez, it's all bollux! The sooner this general election campaign is over the better. I mean, if I want to know what the Tory policies will be (well, kinda, anyway ....) I'll ask them. I don't want the (Old) Labour party to keep telling me what the Tories will do. I want (Old) Labour to tell me what (Old) Labour are going to do.
You'll note that now Flash has mentioned the previously unutterable 'c' word (cuts) we now have (Old) Labour trying to distinguish between (Old) Labour 'cuts' and the Tories 'savage cuts' .... :Suspiciou Just seen that snake Mandlebum on the box ... the choice is between 'Conservatives who lurch to the 'right' whenever they get a whiff of power ...' (sorry, what is wrong with being right wing???) or '... a Labour party resolutely anchored in the progressive centre of British politics ....' (Cue a faint smattering of applause). I mean, WTF is he talking about???? Noone, outside of Westminster, gives a monkeys what adjectives ministers want to give to their politics, they just want to know what their policies are ....... Aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhh ...................................... Simples. :mad: |
^^^^^^^ yes you are fookin simple. as for the OP
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You need to chill out before you have a cardiac arrest, all politicians are self-serving scumbags and when they are not kissing babies they are stealing their sweets. :thumb:
Nothing you or I or the whole of NSR can do will make one iota of difference so it's not worth having a cow over it. I'm just surprised nobody has yet spun the news from Andrew Marr's interview yesterday along the lines of: Gordon Brown rules the UK whilst high on drugs. :D |
^^^^^^haha yes watched this yesterday, laughed me plums off at this. gordo the coke fiend. half of them probably snort a load of charlie anyway.
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They are all greedy self serving career politicians no matter what party they represent.
They all spend their time telling us what is wrong with the other parties rather than what is right with theirs. I have no idea why the Labour party are bothering as the Tories could field a retarded gibbon as prime minister elect and get in this time .... in fact in Cameron they almost have ;) :D |
I do get bored with the 'they are ALL scumbags', they are ALL self-serving' type responses. That's just lazy thinking and really really unhelpful. Sure there are lots who are, no doubt about that. But they certain ALL aren't.
There are good people there, and what need is more good people as public servants. Standing on the side lines making crass generalisations is surely simplifying things way too much. |
Originally Posted by hutton_d
(Post 8967351)
Geez, it's all bollux! The sooner this general election campaign is over the better. I mean, if I want to know what the Tory policies will be (well, kinda, anyway ....) I'll ask them. I don't want the (Old) Labour party to keep telling me what the Tories will do. I want (Old) Labour to tell me what (Old) Labour are going to do.
You'll note that now Flash has mentioned the previously unutterable 'c' word (cuts) we now have (Old) Labour trying to distinguish between (Old) Labour 'cuts' and the Tories 'savage cuts' .... :Suspiciou Just seen that snake Mandlebum on the box ... the choice is between 'Conservatives who lurch to the 'right' whenever they get a whiff of power ...' (sorry, what is wrong with being right wing???) or '... a Labour party resolutely anchored in the progressive centre of British politics ....' (Cue a faint smattering of applause). I mean, WTF is he talking about???? Noone, outside of Westminster, gives a monkeys what adjectives ministers want to give to their politics, they just want to know what their policies are ....... Aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhh ...................................... The next election isnt going to be a battle between hard left and hard right, it's going to be fought on the centre ground. Tony Blair changed the Tory Party, for the better IMO |
simple knock 20p a litre of petrol and they will be the winner :norty:
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 8967819)
The next election isnt going to be a battle between hard left and hard right, it's going to be fought on the centre ground.
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 8967819)
Tony Blair change the Tory Party, for the better IMO
As has been said, hypocrites the lot of them. As for Cameron, if he came out and guaranteed a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty he would wipe UKIP off the map by attracting all their votes. He couldn't lose. But he's a smarmy sh!te in the manner of Tony B. Liar and wants to keep the EU bandwagon going even though the vast majority want a vote! Another rant over ..... Dave |
Originally Posted by hutton_d
(Post 8967842)
That's one of the points I was making. Most people don't give a t*55 how their politicians describe themselves, they just care about thier policies and what effect they'll have. Talking about being 'anchored in the progressive centre of British politics' just turns people off. They don't have a clue what Mandlebum means by that. I certainly don't, do you? And *they* wonder why people don't vote!
I presume you mean 'changed'? The Tory party is now attempting to be like *Tone*, which is a big mistake IMHO. He was just a ham actor who managed to fool a lot of the people a lot of the time. After Flash he was the worst PM we have had in my lifetime (and I remember Wilson/Heath etc!). No political convictions except what the person/people in front of him wanted. What outstanding human being he is now, one day lecturing people on how they should be better Catholics and shouldn't be so materialistic, the next day lecturing at Squillions/per hour to keep Cherie in the style to which she has become accustomed. As has been said, hypocrites the lot of them. As for Cameron, if he came out and guaranteed a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty he would wipe UKIP off the map by attracting all their votes. He couldn't lose. But he's a smarmy sh!te in the manner of Tony B. Liar and wants to keep the EU bandwagon going even though the vast majority want a vote! Another rant over ..... Dave Blair changed the Tory Party, by moving it to the centre ground. The same way that Thatcher and endless election defeats moved the old Labour Party to the centre ground. That is a fact, everything else you mentioned is just your opinion, most of which you wont be surprised to learn, I don't share:) |
Why is centre ground politics considered to be the most favourable?
Personally I see it as the most non-convicted, wishy-washy, self-contradictory politics ever to grace our parliment. Possibly part of the problem we have now; A bunch of semi-socialists running a capitalist economy. Why not go whole hog and go communist? I mean, Labour want us all to drive in G-Wizzes anyway (the modern day trabant?), so why not make it a people's car, fit a tracker as standard and away we go. Just add some work houses, population control and put all our namby pamby human rights laws to the mercy of the state. Then maybe we'd have something interesting. ;) (all in jest btw, well, partially at least :p ) |
Originally Posted by ALi-B
(Post 8967906)
Why is centre ground politics considered to be the most favourable?
Personally I see it as the most non-convicted, wishy-washy, self-contradictory politics ever to grace our parliment. Possibly part of the problem we have now; A bunch of semi-socialists running a capitalist economy. Why not go whole hog and go communist? I mean, Labour want us all to drive in G-Wizzes anyway (the modern day trabant?), so why not make it a people's car, fit a tracker as standard and away we go. Just add some work houses, population control and put all our namby pamby human rights laws to the mercy of the state. Then maybe we'd have something interesting. ;) (all in jest btw, well, partially at least :p ) I think you'll find it Dave Cameron who wants you in a G-Wizz:) Centrist politics sure is less interesting, but ulimately the votes aren't there anymore on the extremes. Socialism doesn't work and never has, hardish right wing politics has probably had it day too For me it's always seems that the truth sits somewhere between both extremes, which is why I remain a fan of moderates rather than radicals, as too much dogma just get's in the way. |
and almost certainly the biggest contributory factor surrounding the all-time highest voter apathy :sleep:
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 8967797)
I do get bored with the 'they are ALL scumbags', they are ALL self-serving' type responses. That's just lazy thinking and really really unhelpful. Sure there are lots who are, no doubt about that. But they certain ALL aren't.
There are good people there, and what need is more good people as public servants. Standing on the side lines making crass generalisations is surely simplifying things way too much. You can get bored of it all you like, but it is true. |
Originally Posted by bigsinky
(Post 8967390)
^^^^^^^ yes you are fookin simple. as for the OP
https://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h.../thefck1or.jpg |
David Mandelson, god I hate that man. I cringe when I see him, hear him speak. But, what makes me annoyed, is how does a man that's been sacked many times, manage to get his greasey, slimey hands back into power :-)
And, how is this man a Lord ? g a y lord yes, but not a proper lord. Labour has ruined this country, we are now over PC'ed, over nannyed, no focus, constantly being cctv / watched, over taxed, no work, and no future. The Labour government should be embrassed ! SBK |
Originally Posted by Simon K
(Post 8968767)
David Mandelson, god I hate that man ...
Originally Posted by Simon K
(Post 8968767)
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The Labour government should be embrassed ! "... Alistair Darling has said Labour should be "proud" of the way it has handled the economic crisis and urged it to take its "good story" to the country ..." :Suspiciou Dave |
Originally Posted by FlightMan
(Post 8967380)
They'll all tax you until the pips squeak.
Simples. :mad: The big difference with the extra taxes is that NL would just continue to piss it against the wall relying on luck to enable them to keep borrowing, taxing and spending, while I would expect the taxes to be put to good use for the country by the Conservatives, as happened in the past. Les |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 8968620)
No it isn't. It's exactly what the expenses row has shown us. Yes sure there are a few good people in each party, but we have to vote in a party not one or two select individuals and each of those parties is choc full of greedy self serving ..... etc.
You can get bored of it all you like, but it is true. Why would any 'good person' want to go into politics if your attitude prevails, bloody hiding to nothing is it not? |
Originally Posted by Leslie
(Post 8968902)
I expect that will be true of course, what else can any party in power do now after what has happened and the situation that the load of trogs in power have manufactured for this country.
The big difference with the extra taxes is that NL would just continue to piss it against the wall relying on luck to enable them to keep borrowing, taxing and spending, while I would expect the taxes to be put to good use for the country by the Conservatives, as happened in the past. Les |
Listening to Flash I think he's signed the death warrant of (Old) Labour. Back to spend, spend, spend .... and we've got naff all money to pay for it. Oh wait, he's printing all this money isn't he ... :Suspiciou
And it'll be LAW that the UK HAS to spend something like 0.7% of GDP on foreign aid???? WTF has he been popping? Since when was that put to the electorate???? The sooner this lot are out the better. Dave |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 8969091)
OMG Les is that what you really believe?
Dave |
Look on the bright side Dave, there's only 247 days to go. :D
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
(Post 8969511)
Look on the bright side Dave, there's only 247 days to go. :D
Dave |
Originally Posted by hutton_d
(Post 8969483)
Well, that is what has always happened in the past. I'm sure you can google it and find it out for yourself . Oh, maybe not .......
Dave |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 8969088)
No it isn't the VAST majority of MP have done nothing wrong, and haven't been accused of anything, unless you are just going for the 'tar them all with the same brush' approach. But that is neither fair not accurate, and certainly doesn't justify your claim that ALL MP's are crooks (or words to that effect)
Why would any 'good person' want to go into politics if your attitude prevails, bloody hiding to nothing is it not? Show me one mainstream party who has the interest of the people of this country at its heart rather than just a desire to get elected and screw the popualtion over in order to make themselves a fast buck and I will retract what I said. That is why they have all moved to the centre, to make themselves electable. If they stuck to their principles I would actually have some time for them but this lot nor the Tories have any of those left. |
Originally Posted by hutton_d
(Post 8969525)
.... Here's hoping!
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The fact of the matter is that you really do need to be nerd now to pick out any differences between parties ,
The only people who are genuinely intrested in polotics are those who are actively involved and intend to gain by their actions |
Originally Posted by hutton_d
(Post 8969480)
Listening to Flash I think he's signed the death warrant of (Old) Labour. Back to spend, spend, spend .... and we've got naff all money to pay for it. Oh wait, he's printing all this money isn't he ... :Suspiciou
And it'll be LAW that the UK HAS to spend something like 0.7% of GDP on foreign aid???? WTF has he been popping? Since when was that put to the electorate???? The sooner this lot are out the better. Dave Oh and now overseas aid is a bad thing? |
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