Cut in VAT 'boosts retail sales'
I really didn't think it would work .... but, it seems that we have to thank the clever use of the VAT Reduction!?
"The government's much-criticised cut in VAT is working and has led to a big boost in consumer spending, according to a leading economics consultancy. The Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) says that the cut, which took effect on 1 December 2008, has led to £2.1bn of extra sales. The centre says the growth in retail spending is "remarkable". http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7995850.stm |
bollocks just like every single one of your posts
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Originally Posted by Jamz3k
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bollocks just like every single one of your posts
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you talk balls FACT
but i like u:luvlove: |
I'm no economist, but I doubt we are even still seeing the benefit of this cut anymore, anyway.
Maybe initially, people did spend more, as most places, if not all deducted the vat cut at the tills so you could see the difference, which tbf was fairly small unless you were spending a fair amount, but at least you saw the saving. Now, all the places I have been don't do this anymore, so how do you even know you are saving anything. What's to say the prices haven't just been put up to compensate, or left as they were prior to the cut, so now you don't have the deduction at the checkout, effectively you are paying the same as when it was 17.5%. I don't have an answer, but if people are spending more, I'm not convinced it's down to a 2.5% decrease in VAT, that we are by and large not even really benefitting from anymore. |
I suggest you send that message to The Centre for Economics and Business Research in that case ... |
I believe in fairy tales:luvlove:
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Complete rubbish. Much like the measure itself.
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id say its probably more down to those with variable rate mortgages whos payments have fallen spending their extra disposable income than a 2.5% decrease in vat!
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saving a fiver on a £300.00 tv is bound to make people dash to the shops, wallet in hand!
Saving £250.00 on a new car, ditto. Pete, you can do what you want with statistics, it may have helped busines's which is a good thing, the people on the street - very little in the way if help TBH. |
Originally Posted by mykp
(Post 8637350)
id say its probably more down to those with variable rate mortgages whos payments have fallen spending their extra disposable income than a 2.5% decrease in vat!
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So nothing to do with the lowest interest rates on record then, or any other macroeconomic factors, and entirely because of the VAT rate cut? Don't believe everything you read.
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If I believed everything I read I would have sold the Scooby ... it being the chocolate engined, unrelaible piece of 'Special Measures Needed' machine one could ever own!! ;) :lol1:
I'm just reporting something for discussion ..... for what it's worth, whatever has happened, people are out there buying houses, cars, TV's and lots of food - the recession is clearly over and most were unaffected in truth. Next Spring we will probably all be feeling rather wealthy again and confidence will bloom eternal ... another few years of the devil you know come election time then? |
Pretty impressive that your Scooby is going so well after all this time SSuP, especially since you don't have a Kocklink, a Dawes device and you don't change the oil properly!
Some might say that people are spending their money while it is still worth something before the hyper inflation kicks in! What I find worrying is when they find that the IMF wont lend them any more money and they are forced to tax us all to retrieve all that cash that they are peeing against the wall! Les |
Extra 2p/L on fuel again last week. NI contributions up this week. What next?? :(
Chip |
What next?
Would an end to the recession suit Sir? Difficult choices had to be made, they were made, we avoided a depression ... history may show that we got away pretty cheap! |
lol hurrah, its a good old fashion spin thread.
I will walk the line. YES spending is up, but NO its not really based on VAT reductions. In the long term we will probably suffer for the VAT reduction with it being increased to a higher rate than it ever was, and probably for longer than it was lowered for. Also with constant spending returning, they will be on the win. I am sure some decisions made or followed by our government will have helped towards recovery. But if we are meant to believe everything they say.... No more boom and bust The UK is the best placed country to ride out this recession The UK will be the least affected nation in this recession All wrong. So any claims that it is the decision of a few people, who also made the above statements, that has helped our recovery...... im doubtful. SSU, you speak like its all over..... For someone with such a great knowledge of such things, thats a very ignorant stance to take. |
Been quite nice for those of us importing car parts.
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Originally Posted by Chip
(Post 8637622)
Extra 2p/L on fuel again last week. NI contributions up this week. What next?? :(
Chip i could count on a couple of fingers the bills that have actually come down with the VAT cut. but i'm fully expecting them all to shoot up when it goes back to normal. out of trouble? like fcuk, we'll be paying for this mess for years to come. |
Originally Posted by Chip
(Post 8637622)
Extra 2p/L on fuel again last week. NI contributions up this week. What next?? :(
Chip Funny how the mind works isn't it? |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 8637711)
But hang on in post 10 Paul Habgood said that saving a fiver on a £300 telly made no difference hence surely the same amount going the other way makes no differerence either ;) :D
Funny how the mind works isn't it? £5 saving is NOT motivation to spend £300 But £5 out of your pocket IS £5 out of the monthly budget. Given the number of things you may be motivated to buy that you would not usually buy = X saving Compared to all the items you HAVE to buy monthly = Y spending All equated to higher monthly outgoings regardless of the fiver you saved on the TV. Bigger picture and all (not the TV lol ) |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 8637711)
But hang on in post 10 Paul Habgood said that saving a fiver on a £300 telly made no difference hence surely the same amount going the other way makes no differerence either ;) :D
Funny how the mind works isn't it? The cutting og interest rates was the way to go with people having more 'disposable' income. However, the fiver saved wil come back and bite us on the a$$ in several years when VAT goes up to to 20% to make up the shortfall. cutting tax and putting money in the pockets of the masses is a better approach - IMHO:) |
Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
(Post 8637773)
However, the fiver saved wil come back and bite us on the a$$ in several years when VAT goes up to to 20% to make up the shortfall. Totally agree. People not seeing far enough ahead down the road to realise that its decisions like that which the tories are going to be left to make in a year or so time. Instantly making them the villans in the eyes of the blinkered masses. |
Come on, if we truly worried about 2p/Litre on fuel we wouldn't be running cars which struggle to reach 20mpg ....... now, would we?
We would be running diesels returning 60mpg - the equivalent then of £1:75 a Gallon :eek: |
Originally Posted by Snazy
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Totally agree. People not seeing far enough ahead down the road to realise that its decisions like that which the tories are going to be left to make in a year or so time. Instantly making them the villans in the eyes of the blinkered masses.
They know the next good number of years are going to be poor so lose the election on purpose. As for the subject, the VAT issue is pure garbage. Low interest rates have increased spending and nothing else. You watch the masses fry when they go back up to 5 or 6%. And no they won't hit double figures. That is utter scare mongering. |
Originally Posted by SunnySideUp
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We would be running diesels returning 60mpg - the equivalent then of £1:75 a Gallon :eek: I do! Chip |
Originally Posted by Chip
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I do!
Chip |
Originally Posted by SunnySideUp
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Come on, if we truly worried about 2p/Litre on fuel we wouldn't be running cars which struggle to reach 20mpg ....... now, would we?
We would be running diesels returning 60mpg - the equivalent then of £1:75 a Gallon :eek: The sales are up due to every bugger having permanent sales on, which are usually a little more than 2.5%. They just happened to exist at the same time the VAT cuts cropped up. But don't biased statistics get in the way of some cut 'n' pasting from the BBC website fella :thumb: |
My car does about 35mpg ..... that's if I have a 45 Litre tank (which I think I have) - but, some on here say I have a 60 Litre tank.
I get 350 miles from a tank. |
The general public seam to want to think they are getting a better deal before they will part with the cash.
We had a little brain storm at work and figured we would try out a new technique to boost sales, we put up banners and posters telling everybody about our new "special offer", and watched them flood in, only the price is the same that it has been for the past 2 years? :eek: I still can not actually believe that worked :lol: |
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