I am also struggling with the "driven to destruction" bit. Unless the car has been seriously hammered then i would be ramping up the pressure to get this resolved the way you want it sorted.
Feel for you, hope you get good positive news soon. |
The reply driven to destruction was from subaru uk not the dealer.Seven days before one of their techs looked at it.:cuckoo:
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I maybe talking out of my ass but are Subaru Dealership mechanics trained enough to rebuild a high performance engine ??????
Mog |
you have a valid point there:thumb: if mine were to go bang I would rebuild it myself, be a fully forged motor then.
been building bike engines for a few good years now so I can qualify:lol: |
MOG - yes, I use Rick at RE Motorsport, as a top three UK Subaru tech he WAS able to strip both engines and gearboxes to minimise the cost IM...
HTH dunx P.S. You'd think an extra £100 for a set of drop-in pistons would be a good idea.... |
P.S. You'd think an extra £100 for a set of drop-in pistons would be a good idea....[/quote]
The pistons are'nt the problem its the software, you can fit any piston forged or cast if its detonating it will cause damage. |
Originally Posted by Mog
(Post 8607330)
I maybe talking out of my ass but are Subaru Dealership mechanics trained enough to rebuild a high performance engine ??????
Mog |
Originally Posted by Dave_P
(Post 8598954)
...but remember the cast pistons can cope with standard MY08 STI outputs ok (if the car is mapped properly) and can take up to 350bhp safely and more if you are willing...the MY08 JDM 2.0 STI with the forged internals can take up to 400bhp without any mods
As has been stated, the problem most likely lies with a poor map. JDM cars will be set from the factory to run on 100RON fuel. As this is readily available in Japan the cars will no doubt run a lot safer. The Euro cars have to take into account that not everyone will run on the best fuel available and the fact that there are varying fuel grades from country to country. I've also never been a fan of the way the injectors are setup on Scoobs. Having them all plumbed in in a series configuration means that the last injector in the line is going to feel any fuel fluctuations the most, potentially leaving that particular cylinder to run lean. This is usually cylinder number 3. Being the cylinder that sits closest to the turbo there is also a possibility of it running hotter than the others, again potentially causing issues. |
Originally Posted by stuart2008sti
(Post 8606959)
Subaru tech came to the dealership on thursday morning and inspected the engine but dont think he new as to why it failed just that it did .Asked the tech should it have been rebuild the way it was but would not answer.Asked if it should have been rebuilt with a new short motor and would not answer. Should have an answer on monday if this is going to be a new engine under warranty or rejected.If rejected then legal action will commence as we all know that the way it was rebuilt was not the correct way,even the dealership had concerns.
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i work under diahatsu. I M have just lost one of there tech guys and have been restrutching the family for mths. now i dunno exactly has gone on on scooby side but I M are real good with warrantys. un like Kia they never ask for item back or check up but we have been dealers for 25 years now. i would ring IM direct number and ask to talk to customer services deptment!!
but that didnt come from me wink wink |
the one the midlands scoobies owners 'Test' drove, didn't go bang for hte day we had it,,, pmsl
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Originally Posted by Dave_P
(Post 8598216)
Subaru had a few engines fail on the factory map on the track and a few press cars in Australia had piston failure (it only under fueled/knocked when you hit the rev limiter, so if you have driven yours with some mechanical sympathy you should be ok anyway mate).
I have been told by a good source that the factory did not see this as a significant issue at the launch and only issued the re-map after a number of failures. There is also more about this on the EcuTek mapping forums and a good mapper on here told me a good map will elimiate the issue, so all is not lost for the MY08 2.5 engine...I hope I bought my car with 4K miles on it secondhand so can only assume the previous owner drove it like a hire car from new...or it was a Friday afternoon engine I would like to say again that Subaru UK and my dealer dealt with my issue very well, I even got a loan car while it was in being fixed and I have confidence in the work, my engine and my warranty. I think you need to have a serious talk with the IM Group (via a solicitor with an independant engineers report if necessary), but as always there are two sides to any story.... Again, sorry to hear this, I feel for you mate, what a nightmare |
Originally Posted by Ved
(Post 8615395)
What's the latest on this, Stu?
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We bought a new 08 STi type UK about 10 months ago, I say new but it was the 2000 mile old demo they had, The reason we bought the demo was it had 4k's worth of extra kit lol, Anyway the story goes that after we had done another 2000 miles so 4000 in total I noticed that the oil wasn't even on the dip stick, So I complained to the dealer about this and was fobbed off with some gumph about oil usage.
Now I've built quite a few engine myself and I don't really know of any that where built properly and in good condition that will use 1.5 litre's of oil every 1200 miles, This went on for about 8 months with me keep asking for a compression test which the dealer kept refusing to do. In the end after the first 10000 mile service with it still burning oil nearly as quickly as it does petrol the relented and did the test, Which confirmed what I had been saying for 8 month that the engine was indeed f*cked and was down on two pistons, They agreed to fit a short engine after at first trying to fob me off with two new pistons. Anyway to cut a long story short they fitted the new block but couldn't get it to run properly for 6 weeks before I said enough was enough and rejected the car under the sales of goods act, They have now bought it back off us and cleared all the finance. We're picking up a MK5 golf R32 later as a hopefully far more reliable replacement, This was our first and last Subaru I'm afraid. In my opinion they actually sold us the car with an already f*cked engine which means it didn't even last 2000 miles. Rob PS if anybody gets offered SV08VVC then beware lol. |
<Just nipping out to check his oil level>
was just down from max :thumb::D |
Does this problem effect 2006 Euro 2.5 WRX models.
John |
Good news subaru uk have agreed to replace the whole engine under warranty.
Hope they will learn not to make short cuts just to save a few pound. Its only taken 4 1/2 weeks.:mad: lets hope all is well on its return. |
Good news! Hope you have better luck with it in the future.
Paul. |
Originally Posted by scooby L
(Post 8618756)
<Just nipping out to check his oil level>
was just down from max :thumb::D topped mine up last night lol been 3000 miles since i last checked it, was half way up the dipstick. mind it does get a regular kickin:thumb: |
Good news Stuart
Hope you get back on the road soon. |
I drove one of these yesterday, brand new car, just 12 miles on the clock, and the salesman let me rag the fook out of it:lol:
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Originally Posted by Jacey Boy
(Post 8620072)
I drove one of these yesterday, brand new car, just 12 miles on the clock, and the salesman let me rag the fook out of it:lol:
Rob |
i bought a wrx sti(58) 6k miles on sat last week and it happened to me, was ok saturday on sunday morning it was misfiring and was on a tow truck sunday afternoon.engine out job
the garage have been great,loan car until yesterday morning from subaru uk(only a diesel c4) but they registered a brand new sti and lent it to me while mines getting fixed |
Great news mate, glad to hear you got it sorted
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Judging how the US cars are mapped from the factory, if it was me, I'd get it remapped straight after the engine rebuild.
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Originally Posted by Jacey Boy
(Post 8620072)
I drove one of these yesterday, brand new car, just 12 miles on the clock, and the salesman let me rag the fook out of it:lol:
LOL, this is why my car needed a new short engine under warranty before it's 10K service, it was running on the crappy map as well while it was being thrashed from cold....nice! Ran it in for 1000 miles after the rebuild then got a bespoke re-map and now it goes like a train (a fast one) and hardly touches any oil...for now... |
Same happened to our 08 STI, cracked ringland. It was using 1 litre of oil every 700 miles!
Subaru initially refused to cover the warranty claim, but eventually they did. Got to say the guys at IM (in Coleshill) are a bunch of tw@ts. Just glad I got a new short block in the end. Since then the car hasn't missed a beat and runs perfectly. FYI all this happened before I had the reflash to the new map (simply because I never got a recall letter). Also FYI the map fixes the horrendous rev limit logic (which sounded like an AK47) and also there were some "non-optimal" AFRs between closed loop to open loop transition.. As other have stated this has had massive impact in the states too. The programmers that Subaru employed / outsourced should be hung. Hope your new engine is as reliable as mine has been :) Stu |
My dealer contacted me late last year advising that the car needed a remap. Very pleased with the service.
Have the rev warning buzzer off, but light flashing at 6100RPM to ensure engine never gets over revved in first place. |
Originally Posted by stuart2008sti
(Post 8619195)
Good news subaru uk have agreed to replace the whole engine under warranty.
Hope they will learn not to make short cuts just to save a few pound. Its only taken 4 1/2 weeks.:mad: lets hope all is well on its return. Tony |
Can anyone confirm when the updated map was released? I bought an ex-demo on July 1st 2008. After reading stuff here I asked them to check for an update when I had my first service at the end of february this year. They returned the car to me and said no update was required. So now im wondering if mine got the update before I bought it. I have now done nearly 9000 miles so im guessing its ok. But can never be too careful i guess.
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