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Mark1983 27 August 2008 09:06 PM

Cheapest place for AP Racing 6 pots, to fit under OE 17's
 
Currently got the standard 4 pot Brembos but want some more stopping power. As per title where's the cheapest place to get these at the moment?

Thanks,

Mark

bighead 27 August 2008 10:06 PM

do think the ap 6 pots will fit under 17s , you need to go 18 m8

scooby0809 27 August 2008 10:32 PM

yes the 330mm kit that he asked about which uses the good calipers fits with 17" wheels and is very good too! as to where is the best price not sure?maybe as performance always very good service from them.

Mark1983 27 August 2008 10:46 PM


Originally Posted by bighead (Post 8094370)
do think the ap 6 pots will fit under 17s , you need to go 18 m8

Yes, the 330mm kit. Best price I've seen was £1200 cash but obviously more if I wanted to pay by card and posted i.e going through the books :lol1:

I've got some Prodrive 18's but run 17's for track... cheaper tyres. I've just destroyed a set of 888's in 1000 miles although the majority of that was on the Nordschleife.

Aztec Performance Ltd 28 August 2008 03:04 PM

Have you considered 2 piece floating Performance Friction discs/bells and pads?

Have driven both APs and Brembos+PF and I liked the PF setup very much.

I have APs on my own car, and would be happy to fit Brembos to mine along with the PF goodies - PM me to talk about a part-ex.

The PF disc/bell setup is better than the AP disc/bell setup IMHO.

A good review: https://www.scoobynet.com/wheels-tyr...es-up-job.html


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Mark1983 28 August 2008 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by BOB'5 (Post 8095498)
Have you considered 2 piece floating Performance Friction discs/bells and pads?

Have driven both APs and Brembos+PF and I liked the PF setup very much.

I have APs on my own car, and would be happy to fit Brembos to mine along with the PF goodies - PM me to talk about a part-ex.

The PF disc/bell setup is better than the AP disc/bell setup IMHO.

A good review: https://www.scoobynet.com/wheels-tyr...es-up-job.html


Buy Here:
Performance Friction Brakes - Special Offer - Over £100 off!


I currently have PF floating discs and Z pads (I think) on my car.

Aztec Performance Ltd 28 August 2008 09:12 PM

And they don't provide you with enough stopping power ? :eek:

Have you done the rears also?

Mark1983 29 August 2008 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by BOB'5 (Post 8096203)
And they don't provide you with enough stopping power ? :eek:

Have you done the rears also?

Stopping power is good on the Nordschleife (not hard on brakes) but felt it could be improved on some of the GP circuits i.e. braking hard into the Bus-stop chicane at Spa-Francorchamps.

I'm planning some work on my car over the winter as it'll be a 2nd car and primarily used for trackdays. I would agree the PF are more than enough for road and occassional track use but looking for track bias set-up.

By the way, do you have any front pads in stock at the moment? Mine are 90% worn and back out to the Nordschleife on Friday.

andrew jeffs 30 August 2008 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Mark1983 (Post 8094219)
Currently got the standard 4 pot Brembos but want some more stopping power. As per title where's the cheapest place to get these at the moment?

Thanks,

Mark

godspeed brakes,always a good service,knows what hes talking about..

Aztec Performance Ltd 30 August 2008 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by Mark1983 (Post 8098138)
Stopping power is good on the Nordschleife (not hard on brakes) but felt it could be improved on some of the GP circuits i.e. braking hard into the Bus-stop chicane at Spa-Francorchamps.

I'm planning some work on my car over the winter as it'll be a 2nd car and primarily used for trackdays. I would agree the PF are more than enough for road and occassional track use but looking for track bias set-up.

By the way, do you have any front pads in stock at the moment? Mine are 90% worn and back out to the Nordschleife on Friday.

Looks like you could do with a different pad compound.

Email me on aztecperformance@gmail.com and I will try and sort something out for you. :thumb:

matt-c 30 August 2008 06:53 PM

Bob, can you remind me how much lighter the PF disk+bell is compared to a standard newage disk ?

bren@apex 02 September 2008 01:42 PM

Zen Performance and Performance Subaru have 6 podium places in Time Attack between the two of them running KSport brakes. Astonishing performance for the money:

KSport bargain brake kits,from just £660 for a complete kit, calipers, pads, rotors, bells,brackets, lines etc

Weight

Front Disk and bell = 11.5kg
Rear Disk and bell = 9.5kg
Front 4-pot Caliper = 6kg
Rear 2-pot Caliper = 3kg

Overall weight for all four corners, comes in at 58kg.

As opposed to the K-sports:

356mm rotor with bell and fixings 8.8kg
330mm rotor with bell and fixings 7.6kg
Front 8 pot caliper 2.8kg
Rear 6 pot caliper 2.4kg

Overall weight for all four corners is 43.2kg

Aztec Performance Ltd 02 September 2008 01:52 PM

Bren: The true test will be to see what they are running next year ;) IIRC they won the whole thing last year on StopTechs.

What calipers were the Zen car using on last set TA of pics? Didn't look like the regular K Sports? I may be wrong.

matt-c: I will have a set weighed and post the details :thumb:

ZEN Performance 02 September 2008 07:23 PM

You're not the first PF brake user to ask this question. My reply is always this: Are you pressing on the brake pedal hard enough?

High braking power is not everything, but it's what most people confuse for good braking. You need to worry about the performance of the brakes if you're pressing the pedal harder and harder but the car doesn't slow any quicker. However if you're just not being hard enough on the brakes, then consider a software upgrade rather than a hardware one! If you're current setup gives you consistent feel, and progressive retardation, no fade and they don't warp every 2 minutes then leave them alone and get some driver training. If however you never quite know what's going to happen when you go for the brakes, you may warrant an upgrade, but seeing as you can only go up 4mm in disc diameter with the APs, ending up with a shallower, longer pad, you'll end up with very similar feel, similar fade resistance and a dabateable change in braking power.

You can try the 01 compound for track work, but I would take them out for the road as they squeal like a pig and and wear the discs considerably more than the Z pads.


Originally Posted by Mark1983 (Post 8098138)
Stopping power is good on the Nordschleife (not hard on brakes) but felt it could be improved on some of the GP circuits i.e. braking hard into the Bus-stop chicane at Spa-Francorchamps.

I'm planning some work on my car over the winter as it'll be a 2nd car and primarily used for trackdays. I would agree the PF are more than enough for road and occassional track use but looking for track bias set-up.

By the way, do you have any front pads in stock at the moment? Mine are 90% worn and back out to the Nordschleife on Friday.


Arch 03 September 2008 12:18 PM

Paul
In your experience would you say there is little difference between a Brembo and PF bells/rotors set up and a 330mm AP set up for purely track work.
What pads would you recomend for hillclimb and sprints with Brembo's and PF's bearing in mind you don't have any time to get heat into the brakes before they are needed. Currently using DS2500. :thumb:

ZEN Performance 03 September 2008 01:44 PM

The key to success with hillclimb and sprint racing is to work the brakes before you get to the meeting. All racing brake systems rely on the friction material from the pad being deposited on the disc, this take heat and time. Once this is done, you should find that the brakes work well from cold, however they will be removing the friction material layer until they heat up. Provided you keep the brakes in good condition by working them up to temperature before each meeting you should be okay with something like a mintex M1155 or the Ferodo DS2500, but I prefer the mintex as it behaves better in terms of not leaving judder inducing pad deposits.


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