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Seems the music companies have got the ISP's on board for music piracy.

BBC NEWS | Technology | Net firms in music pirates deal

Download a track and you could be sent a warning letter, 3 and your out.

How are they going to do this without looking at your data?

Obviously record company pockets aren't quite full enough... :mad:

Surely this sends out the wrong message that ISP's will snoop your data to see if the content you are sharing is legal or not, but look the other way if you're downloading child pornography.... :confused:

Can't see many joining them TBH. I'd be surprised if they didn't opt out when they have to start banning their client base (assuming they remain true to their word). Some file sharing now has encription attached to it, so presumably it'd be hard for the ISPs to even enforce this ban.

And as for the pretence that it's the artists that suffer, oh please, this is to protect the fat cats at the record companies, who have been legitimately stealing off artists for years!!!

Ns04

The record companies kicked up the same fuss when recordable cassettes came out, saying it would kill the industry etc...

The main reason for the decline in record sales is that kids now spend their money on DVD's, games, clothing, mobile phones etc... from a young age, and music doesnt seem to be as important to them as it used to be.

What makes you think we are not being snooped on already then?

Councils have been given the right to do this now by the authorities.

Les :(

The problem is, is that it is virtually impossible for the ISPs to distinguish between illegal, and legal file sharing.Short of monitoring all traffic, which has such a huge overhead as to be unthinkable

I would say the best way to comabt this is for people to leave thier ISP and join anothe rone if they receive warning letters and give the express reason that they do not agree with this snooping.

Of course, this won't happen. We'll just take it up the arse.

KY, Pete? :)

Plus net are very good with file sharing, and transparent with their policy. They even offer different packages to support it, so the bandwidth hungry download monsters pay more, but get better DL speeds than those who predominantly just surf and occasionally use it.

If I get a letter from an ISP saying that they intend to adopt this policy -even if it does just amount to unenforceable meaningless lip service to the record companies- I walk on principle!

Ns04

It depends on the methods that are used to 'snoop' the data, every packet is analysed anyway as ISP's can traffic shape:

The most common was to put out dummy files on heavily used filesharing sites (such as Limewire or open Torrent sites like Mininova) and then track the IP of the downloaders and then as soon as you start to share that content you have now not only downloaded something illegally but you are responsible for distributing (i.e. heavier penalities) as well.

If you use something like limewire it is very easy to packet sniff (with no real overhead) and see the filenames and 'assume' that they are real. That would be interesting in court to prove.

If you use standard Bit Torrent ports those can be monitored as well and similar data extracted.

As an ISP you can run a report of everyone who is downloading more than 30gb/month (in fact probably more than 10gb) and just sniff those users for illegal downloads. It IS possible to download that amount legally, but unless you are a business or hosting a popular website unlikely.

Steve

So I use newsgroups with SSL...how can they see? Obviously when my connection is maxed out constantly they can whine...but they can't tell what I'm downloading?

They can see, although will probably not bother. The initial connection to the newsgroup usually isn't SSL?

The whole thing will effect casual downloaders who have no idea how it works and don't even do rudimentary things like change the default ports more than anyone else.

Steve

glad too see my ISP isnt listed in there, not that i download much music anyway its the best way to get a virus on some sites :)

the isp's have actually said they will not remove anyone's service, which to me says we will try and scare them but if that dosent work hard luck.. lol

And just for the record Plusnet is the biggest pile of cack isp ever.

The ISP has nothing to do with the finding users.. they are just willing to pass on the warnings from the Music companies.

There is no way for an ISP to legally monitor what you are downloading.. only the amount, time and speeds.

When you connect to an illegal (or any other for that matter) torrent, each person on the torrent can see the ip address of other users - thats how they know you are doing it. Just monitoring the illegal torrents and see who downloads (and uploads)

Get peer guardian 2

Not fool proof but can help

Oh? What makes you say that? :)

Ns04

Firstly they use to be my ISP, and I got sick of the, u can only download at certain times, you can only dload effectively from certain protocols, whilst we try to deny that we are aggressively throttling all your dloads. Cack :)

Anyway OT and I am on an ISP that doesn't throttle anything or limit me in anyway so move on :)

if they can stop you downl;oading music why cant they stop the bloody paedos

Bloody good point that is :notworthy

ISPs and music industry announce piracy crackdown | News | Custom PC

Reading from that, I reckon it's just torrents that they're trying to "get" for the time being.

Sadly it because the music and film industries "think" downloading their content owes them £billions. :(

Paaedos owe them nothing.

Personally, I'd like to these these indepth calculations that the music industry has made with regards to how much money they "lost" through downloads....Whilst there is a loss of income - no argument with that. However I think they are distorted in the industry's favour; I'm layings odds these figures work close to the assumptions every illegal download = one lost sale.

They do use calculations based on previous years sales as well. Unfortunately (as mentioned above) music just isn't as important as it once was and there are lots of other things that are attracting the cash of younger people.

Steve