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Iain P 17 December 2001 11:03 AM

Anyone know why this happens? Typical case is cruising along the motorway, accelarate hard to pass a lorry, ease off slightly and the car accelarates even harder! Lift off a bit more and it slows. I presume it means the mixture is leaning off at WOT. Is this a symptom of a contaminated MAF sensor? Only noticed after it's recent 30k mile service.
Cheers

Tractor 17 December 2001 12:34 PM

I am pretty sure that this is actualy a weird trait of the car and something to do with fudging the emmisions regs or something? I am sure someone will correct me, but I know the thread was started by Pete at Scoobysport I think - give him a call - I am sure he wil be happy to explain if you ask nicely.

Mike

brickboy 17 December 2001 12:50 PM

It's down to 2 things:

1) If you floor the throttle the ECU goes open-loop, i.e. it's not running the normal feedback mechanism to control mixture, so it will run a bit rich which blunts initial response.

2) At a steady cruise, the turbo is spinning OK but still has intertia. Flooring the throttle kicks it out of this, but if you back off slightly the turbo is still accelerating and pushing boost pressure higher ... and combined with closed-loop running you get the meaty surge.

The latest turbo Saabs have a drive-by-wire throttle which opens the throttle a bit wider than you've dialled in with your foot, to cut lag, then backs it off after half a second or so .... you're doing the same but with your foot.

Iain P 17 December 2001 01:16 PM

Cheers.
I know about the tip-in feature but this is something different and is at higher speeds - most noticeable in 5th.

David_Wallis 17 December 2001 03:49 PM

annoying isnt it? Everbody keeps thinking I cant drive when mine does it and I explain that it isnt me...

David

john banks 17 December 2001 03:57 PM

A mildly overboosting car will also behave like this as the boost backs off a little and comes back in. Almost undetectable if very mild to wild oscillations if major.

There is also a 10PSI boost situation under WOT from around 3000rpm most easily felt in 2nd gear for noise regs.

[Edited by john banks - 12/17/2001 3:59:07 PM]


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