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rentonone 12 March 2007 10:26 PM

subaru powered mid engined mrk 6 black escort project
 
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...project006.jpghttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...project006.jpgMy project has finally started,ive now got most of the parts i need.
The car is based on mrk 6 escort and is going to be mid engined with rear wheel drive,so far ive stripped the car down to pritty much a bare shell and layed the complete subframe down to se how it looks.

heres some pics. James:norty:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...project005.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...project006.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...project007.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...OFPHONE119.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...OFPHONE121.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...project009.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...project010.jpg

Slowboy Racing 12 March 2007 11:28 PM

Top man, this looks like its going to be fun :)

nas sti 13 March 2007 12:35 AM

this looks like a good 1 :notworthy it will be intresting to see how it handles and steers with hardly no weight at the front :) good luck :thumb:

911 13 March 2007 07:55 AM

FANTASTIC!
At last a real 'hot rod' of a project.
Most interesting.
Should be a snip bar the gear linkage which will be a tease.
Could bring a new meaning to 4 wheel steering.
(the Honda Preludes had 2 racks)

Pleanty of pics please.
Graham

rentonone 13 March 2007 08:33 AM

i havnt got a clue how its going to handle but hopefully i will be able to source some suitable front suspension , the engine is going to be right behind the two front seats so i think there will be quite a bit of weight on the front to especially under breaking.

Graham, for my gear linkage im using cables like the one in this pic..



james
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...n/XJR15202.jpg

HotRod 13 March 2007 07:51 PM

Blimey that's a big project you've bitten off there - good luck nailing that together. Will certainly confuse a few Ford fans when you open the hood

911- how could you flog your lovely 'A' for a Porker?? The rodding scene has never been healthier, time to get back to your real passion??

911 13 March 2007 08:57 PM

DO NOT SAY THAT!

When I sold it (where is it now?) it was 1987, I was 35 and to be honest the Hot Rod world seemed to be tatty-heads pratting about, and I felt too old to be doing such things.

20 years later it seems to have come full circle! All the Old Skool stuff and a pleasure to see real hotrods in Custom Car mag etc (which i still buy).

I could go on but this isn't my thread, but very nice to be in touch with Hot Rodders on here.

I really do miss them to be honest.
This one kills me:
http://i5.tinypic.com/4d1p44j.jpg

Back to this car!

How about running the shifter rods below the engine, past the sump to the box? That cable shift does look good, just wonder how 'wooly' it might feel?

With the right springs the front end will behave fine, and i guess you have a good chance of getting about 50/50 distribution as the fuel tank will need to go in the front as in a 911. Battery can stay in the front.

I'm a bit surprised you say the engine is right behind the seats.

Good stuff, and sorry for the tread drift.

Graham

HotRod 14 March 2007 12:56 PM

Graham
Good to see you stil read CC... Lots of grey hairs in rodding so you wouldn't feel out of place!
That's a beautiful hand crafted rod, rightly winning prizes all over. Here's my own efforts, 1932 model B sedan:
http://usera.imagecave.com/RodPics/DSCN0704.JPG

Simon

David_Wallis 14 March 2007 07:33 PM

Some volkswagens used cable shift, I cant see it being a problem, nor feeling wooley :)

911 14 March 2007 09:15 PM

Ahh, I remember that one from a year or 2 ago!
You need 2'' out of it. Chopped my Y type in '73!
Which VW's David?
Cable drives to the box are popular on modern cars, good when adjusted/maintained well.

Any chassis progress rentonone?

wrxginge 14 March 2007 09:16 PM

How about using an mr2 gearlever as a basis, as they are cable shift aswell, and obviously rear engined.

rentonone 14 March 2007 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by wrxginge (Post 6748143)
How about using an mr2 gearlever as a basis, as they are cable shift aswell, and obviously rear engined.

i was thinking that too mate, heres a pic of one, i think this will be easier to rig up than a solid mechanism.

http://http://i16.photobucket.com/al...tickshift2.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...tickshift2.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...tickshift2.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...tickshift2.jpg

rentonone 14 March 2007 10:16 PM

As you can see by this pic, the subframe is to short to bollt on to the escort chassis so im going to extend and modify it so the subfame will bolt on properly.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...project012.jpg

I am going to cut out the chassis rail that runs across the top of the subframe in the pic as soon as ive fitted a temporary strengthening bar just in case it all decides to twist.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...project013.jpg


heres a pic of the scooby wheels attached
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...project014.jpg


ive fitted it together with the standard front scooby shocks without the springs and with the escort top mouns, the shocks are a bit close to the body but coilovers would be perfect so i need to get hold a pair.
the centres of the shock towers on the escort are about 30mm wider than the centres of the subaru front shock towers but im thinking i might be able to make up the difference with camber bolts, if not i will have to modify the towers.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...project015.jpg

rentonone 14 March 2007 11:01 PM

could someone uplode the pics for me so they are not just a link, im not sure how to do it.
:wonder:

joey_turbo 14 March 2007 11:12 PM

When you reply to this thread, click the button that looks like a pic just above the first line of text, 3rd from the right, and paste the link into the box. Or just type [IMG] paste link here [/IMG]

Example http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4...project015.jpg

great project btw.

911 14 March 2007 11:26 PM

That looks an easy installation from here. A tube loop to pickup the wishbone bush will work.
Does the bush hang a bit low behind the wheel? I know you can't change the height.

rentonone 15 March 2007 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by 911 (Post 6748682)
That looks an easy installation from here. A tube loop to pickup the wishbone bush will work.
Does the bush hang a bit low behind the wheel? I know you can't change the height.

The wisbone bushes sit about the same heigth as the floor of the car so its worked out ok, it just looks low on the pics, im planning on making a frame work out of 2 or 3 inch box section to mount the wishbones to, what do you mean by a tube loop Graham? im open to ideas;). i could do someone measuring the centres of the wishbone bolts for me next time your underneath the car so i can get it spot on.

james:cool:

911 15 March 2007 02:43 PM

You are following me exactly. My tube mount would be a wide 'U' shape with tabs welded to pickup the 2 suspension mountings. Box tube is easier to use (I used box in all my hot rod fabrications in the past)

Weld to the car's rear legs both sides and the tube would pass under the box, pick the suspension up and also double as the gearbox support.
Critical here is alignment to all the locations and strength of joining the custome tube frame to the thin sheet metal Escort.

Wish i was doing it!

I can sketch is all quicker than write it down.

As a bit of fun I might sketch out the '911' way i would do this install and post for you all to have a go at. :D
Graham.

p1mark 15 March 2007 02:57 PM

What a mega project! Rather you than me chap! :cool: :cool: :cool:

Cant wait to see how it comes out. What a sound in the cab there is going to be:lol1:

A bit of 911's artistic doodling will be good as well.

Spyder550 15 March 2007 07:43 PM

Ah that's what your modded 4wd box was going into James. Will be different :)

Although my wrx lump is going into my Spyder I did quite fancy the idea of doing similar to what you are doing,

Either to a Imp Stilletto

http://home.wxs.nl/~imps/Ken/2stilets.jpg

Or as a totally stock looking "sleeper" Austin 1100. Think of the fun you could have there

http://www.bfm.nu/no6.jpg


I am looking to use MR2 gearchange components, trouble is every time I go to the scrapyard they always seem to put the MR2's on the wobbliest pile of cars :)

Guy

rentonone 15 March 2007 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by 911 (Post 6750336)
You are following me exactly. My tube mount would be a wide 'U' shape with tabs welded to pickup the 2 suspension mountings. Box tube is easier to use (I used box in all my hot rod fabrications in the past)

Weld to the car's rear legs both sides and the tube would pass under the box, pick the suspension up and also double as the gearbox support.
Critical here is alignment to all the locations and strength of joining the custome tube frame to the thin sheet metal Escort.

Wish i was doing it!

I can sketch is all quicker than write it down.

As a bit of fun I might sketch out the '911' way i would do this install and post for you all to have a go at. :D
Graham.

im just waiting to get some box section now and im either going to buy a mig welder or hire one as funds are low at the moment as ive just brought a house, the good news is that the house has a garage with a pit i carnt belive my luck, lol

yeah do a sketch then Graham.:thumb:

rentonone 15 March 2007 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by Spyder550 (Post 6751244)
Ah that's what your modded 4wd box was going into James. Will be different :)

Although my wrx lump is going into my Spyder I did quite fancy the idea of doing similar to what you are doing,

Either to a Imp Stilletto

http://home.wxs.nl/%7Eimps/Ken/2stilets.jpg

Or as a totally stock looking "sleeper" Austin 1100. Think of the fun you could have there

http://www.bfm.nu/no6.jpg


I am looking to use MR2 gearchange components, trouble is every time I go to the scrapyard they always seem to put the MR2's on the wobbliest pile of cars :)

Guy

yes Guy this is my project that ive been keeping quiet until i had all the bits, im still waiting for the kit to convert the box to 2wd to arrive. ive got plenty of work to do though before for it gets here. Hows your project going?

james;)

Spyder550 15 March 2007 10:57 PM

My projects slow!!
Just taking a break now from working out the wiring I need, and pinouts from the ECU. Can find diagrams for various early JDM WRX's but of course not exactly what I need (late 93/early94 WRX with W6 ECU) so slight deviances to fathom out.

rentonone 17 March 2007 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by Spyder550 (Post 6751984)
My projects slow!!
Just taking a break now from working out the wiring I need, and pinouts from the ECU. Can find diagrams for various early JDM WRX's but of course not exactly what I need (late 93/early94 WRX with W6 ECU) so slight deviances to fathom out.

im having trouble with my loom too, ive got no keys or transponder so i dont know how im going to get past the imobilizer, 'ticky' (Az) has been helping me out.
all the runing gear is 98 uk spec.. heres my post..


https://www.scoobynet.com/lighting-o...izer-my98.html

if anyone knows away around the imob please pm me :wonder:

KIPS 18 March 2007 09:39 AM

Just a thought how do yo plan to get air to the intercooler or are you going to go front mount? thats gonna be some pipe run if you go front mount
could run a scoop on the roof like a snorkle system watching with interest
KIP

PS 911 YOU NEED TO START A HOT ROD THREAD IN OTHER MARQUES FOR US OLD SCHOOL BOYS THINK IT WILL GO DOWN WELL :thumb:

rentonone 18 March 2007 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by KIPS (Post 6758135)
Just a thought how do yo plan to get air to the intercooler or are you going to go front mount? thats gonna be some pipe run if you go front mount
could run a scoop on the roof like a snorkle system watching with interest
KIP

PS 911 YOU NEED TO START A HOT ROD THREAD IN OTHER MARQUES FOR US OLD SCHOOL BOYS THINK IT WILL GO DOWN WELL :thumb:

I dont think im going to go front mount as its to much piping, ive been thinking about a rear mount or mount it flat in the boot floor somewhere as its all open, i could fit twin fans to help draw the air through, once the engine and box is all bolted in i will be able to get a better idea of places to mount the ic.

james:thumb:

DARKDESTROYER9 18 March 2007 11:33 AM

just a thought but youn could mount the intercooler in the spare wheel well if you modify the shape of the well and you could duct air from underneath the car like is done in some high powered mr2 turbos

Slowboy Racing 18 March 2007 11:51 AM

Might be worth looking into the pwr charge cooler considering the possible positions of the intercooler reasonably priced to and people seem to be getting good results with this one. Assuming you have reasonable sized rad the pump should be able to flow the extra distance without any trouble defiantly addresses any lag issues

PWR Performance Products

rentonone 18 March 2007 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by DARKDESTROYER9 (Post 6758295)
just a thought but youn could mount the intercooler in the spare wheel well if you modify the shape of the well and you could duct air from underneath the car like is done in some high powered mr2 turbos

i havnt got a spare wheel well mate its just a gaping hole,i know what you mean about ducting air to it though, that would work. this is going to be the fun part. :)

rentonone 18 March 2007 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by *Un-ink* (Post 6758334)
Might be worth looking into the pwr charge cooler considering the possible positions of the intercooler reasonably priced to and people seem to be getting good results with this one. Assuming you have reasonable sized rad the pump should be able to flow the extra distance without any trouble defiantly addresses any lag issues

PWR Performance Products

This would probably be a better solution and like you say it would reduce lag.

cheers


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