Air Travel and CO2
 

Some propaganda coming from the BBC tonight - but just look at the ridiculous case of the woman who went by land to Australia and the comments from some of the people below.

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The BBC - The Green Tax Propaganda machine :mad:

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So instead of travelling nearly direct by plane, she travels nearly twice as far using car,bus,train and boat taking 2 months:lol1: bet her carbon footprint was more than if she had took the plane .

Read the rest of the page - she saved one tonne of CO2 by taking 50 times as long to get there :)

Yeah but she spent 4 times as much cash so what was her carbon footprint having to earn all that extra moolah:)

Probably not as much as those of us who've made the wrong lifestyle choice as pointed out by this comment.

Oh and let's not forget the comment from "Tidy" who strangely enough thinks that the whole world is influenced by Thatcher.

But she didnt save any CO2 did she, the plane still went to Oz, just had an empty seat spare the silly moo.

There aren't many jobs that will allow six months off work. Part time is a few hours a day rather than eight, not six months on and six months off.

If the government was really serious about environmental impact there are far more effective ways to make a difference instead of hitting someone that wants a holiday. Offer tax incentives for companies that have home-workers for a start, that would also take some of the burden off of our crap transport network at the same time.

If the gov. was serious about reducing CO2 they'd not tax the hell out of everyone they'd be busy researching into ways to save energy in the home etc and FORCING the power companies to adopt those techniques But no, as they're private the gov. just taxes the cr*p out of us to 'reduce' the energy we use. Then the power companies just put up the price as they're selling less ..... major disconnect there!

E.g. power efficient bulbs for all houses (read that if every house had 2 then there would be no need for the extra power going to be produced by that huge windfarm off the kent coast - haven't bothered to do the maths myself), turning off 1 in 2 streetlamps from, say midnight to 5am, forcing businesses to have time set/motion sensing lights, etc etc. The list is endless ....

But then the gov. isn't in power for us electorate - just to keep themselves in gold plated pensions and POWER!

Dave

I don't understand why you're complaining when aviation contributes less than 3% of total CO2 emissions and yet the majority of Scoobynet is dumb enough not to realise whilst continually pointing the finger at this sector and doing nothing about their own impact.

And whilst we're at it don't forget that it was the Tories who commited us to Kyoto and who also kick started this current 'green agenda'. OK, not what the politically bigoted wanted to hear but it needs to be said. The Government will continue to levy 'green taxes' because vast sections of the electorate are too stupid to educate themselves.

Global dimming anyone?

Quite right. But even your post perpetuates an inaccurate fact. You say " ...aviation contributes less than 3% of total CO2 emissions ..." when you mean 3% of MAN-MADE CO2 emmisions. From Global Warming: A closer look at the numbers (the first Google hit - I'm sure you can find very slightly different numbners elsewhere but they will all be well less than 5%!) that means that aviation is 3% of 3.207% which is 0.0009621% of all CO2 emmsions.

Ummm. That's not really a lot ........ but all the politicians play up the 3% number or '25% comes from homes' etc etc. What they don't say is that these percentages are '25% of 3%! Bog all ....

Dave

Dave

I completely agree. Every bulb in my flat is an energy saver, I've always turned off appliances I'm not using, and I generate about 7 tonnes of CO2 a year (according to an online footprint calculator - the majority of which comes from my 16000 miles a year train commute), 3 tonnes under the UK average per household. The US average is literally double.

FFS. UK aviation produces 1.6% of greenhouse gases. With the current forecast in aviation growth, expected to go up 10%, thats till only 1.76% of the total. This isnt about greenhouse gases. Its about lentil eating, sandal wearing hippies, who want to take us back to the dark ages, where everyone walked and cycled and the land was filled with fluffy bunnies and daffodils, wafting gently in the breeze.

Oooo, it makes me so angry. ( Steve Wright, circa 1988 )

If every lentil muncher held their breath, then by not breathing out that would surely stop a load of CO2 going into the atmosphere :)

I probably kill around 50 baby seals a year with all my flying.
:)

Stop cows farting- instant reduction in harmful gases

Which pretty much show the level of misunderstanding surrounding climate change relative to political ambitions and agendas. This whole process is being driven by politicians, not by the tree hugging community who see it as an easy way to gain political kudos and increase taxation.

:Whatever_

Flight Man > pilot > Vulcan > Leslie - I've got it!

If we keep cutting down CO2 emissions, what are all the trees going to eat FFS! I am a tree hugger and as such I blat about the country on planes, trains and automobiles creating as much CO2 as I possibly can ensure in that trees, plants and such like everywhere can breathe easily

:D

good point :)

So, travel will just be for the rich and hippy dossers !

Another dose of lies from New Labour via their 'biatch' the BBC.

Sickening and disgusting hypocracy. :mad: I would urge people not to watch this rubbish, it's far far worse than Celebrity Big Brother - look at the c*nts taking part.

Isn't flying public transport ? I thought we were supposed to be using that instead of driving...


Isn't flying better than driving ?

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Paul Upham, a research fellow at the Tyndall Centre, which researches sustainable ways of tackling climate change, believes it is. He has used the European Environment Agency's preferred measure of fuel consumption, Corinair, to compare the journey from Manchester to Guernsey. A fully-loaded Saab 200 turbo-prop on this route produces 103kg of CO2 per passenger, while a Nissan Micra carrying one emits 226kg. Obviously, that figure is cut dramatically if two or more people are sharing the car. But Upham admits he was "very surprised" at the finding.
"Planes aren't the evil things relative to cars that people imagine," he says. Trains are still the least polluting form of transport for longer journeys. But even trains have their own carbon load, and not all trains are equal: diesels are more polluting than electric trains, for example. "This is what people need to accept. We need to travel less by plane. But we need to travel less per se."



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They didn't say how the Nissan actually gets to Guernsey though...

Cargo plane. :thumb:

The reality is that the New Labour socialists hate low cost airlines with a passion. They hate the thought that people can move freely without state control. They want their destruction and this is all part of laying the groundwork to turn public opinion against them, so dimwits will support the anti cheap transport legislation to come. It'll work too. We know how stupid the population is - they've already been manipulated into supporting road charging for example.

I wonder how the enormous BBC film crew travelled to Venice to film their propaganda piece? Low cost airline perhaps?

F*ck off, they go business class and the tart fanny fart presenter do doubt travelled first class. :mad:

One fact worth mentioning though is where the CO2 ends up. Research shows that CO2 emitted at the altitudes that planes fly at has a greater effect than CO2 emitted at ground level. Rain washes some of the CO2 from low levels into the oceans, but it doesn't rain much at 40,000ft! So the CO2 emitted by planes has a disproportionate effect.

:nono: tut tut, haven't you been here long enough?

As part of my carbon offsetting I've decided to buy a gun and start hunting. Reducing the amount of animals will reduce CO2 as I believe flatulence is a major problem.

See how the sandal wearing hippies like that.