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Fcuk them all, i WILL wash my scoob and no government pr1ck will stop me!!
If they start being arseholes about it i will just go to my mums and wash it there, she lives in the country and has a drive that goes round the side of the house, and the neighbours are ok, i doubt i will be seen cleaning it there!! If it becomes a real problem, i might charge people to use said drive while my mum is out! |
bump for this, had a local operator for me ring me up and let me know that he was talking to some local police, and they informed him that the handwash down the road from him should be gone by may 2009 as the new rules are due to come into force?
started having a look around on the net and found this from last year http://publications.environment-agen...07BMDX-e-e.pdf also found out that a new "car wash association" has been setup to help lobby the government for proper clarified rules and enforcement Car Wash Association i emailed the CWA this morning asking for more information about any law changes and was very surprised to get a reply from the managing director of the franchise company i am in with :lol: turns out that quite a few huge companies are part of this new CWA group including IMO/BP/ESSO/TOTAL/SNAX24 etc etc anybody have any other snippets of info or rumours ? trying to find this stuff out on the web is a nightmare! |
from "forcourt trader"
Washtec is also calling for the industry to get behind the Car Wash Campaign Group (CWCG), which has been set up to tackle problems in the sector. The group, whose chairman is Parkfoot Garage owner David Charman, has been urging retailers not to give up on their car wash businesses but to join the group and be part of the resurgence of the sector. It also hopes to change the public's opinion of car washes and promote best practice. The group will be announcing more information for retailers soon. Other manufacturers agree that the industry needs to join together to fight the threat of illegal hand car washes. Dave Lindon, business development director at car wash manufacturer Istobal, advises retailers to do their homework and make sure they are up to date on the latest legislation. Earlier this year the Environment Agency released a set of pollution prevention guidelines called Vehicle Washing and Cleaning: PPG13. It covers car wash machines and hand washes and outlines how car wash set-ups should dispose of used water and chemicals. Lindon says: "These guidelines are good for retailers because the agency can check on hand car washes and has the power to close them down if they aren't being run properly. The hand car wash issue has slowed the market down slightly, but at Istobal we are increasing our market share, so it's maybe not affecting us so much." found a little more Pay adds: "We can see a far stricter and more legislative Water Framework Directive being used in Scotland to prevent trade effluent - it is likely that we will see the same regulations in England as well before too long. The key findings are that all surface water should be discharged back into the environment as close to where it fell as possible: this means significant issues for building regulations and design going forward." The issue of trade effluent is something the Car Wash Association (CWA) has been working on. The group wants to see the government implement General Binding Rules (GBR) which would make it an offence to discharge trade effluent into surface drainage. The group has been working with the Association of Convenience Stores (ACS), which was in contact with MP Phil Woolas while he was Minister for the Environment. Woolas stated in a letter that he recognised the damage that washing cars could do to the water quality and promised a consultation on GBRs by the end of this year. The ACS says GBRs will also make it easier for the Environment Agency to take action against illegal operations - it currently has to prove an act has led to a specific incidence of pollution. However, Woolas was made Immigration Minister in Gordon Brown's October reshuffle, prompting the ACS to write to his replacement, MP Jane Kennedy. |
i haven't got a drain on my driveway at home, all the water has to evapourate naturally. i'd point this out to them if they come round and have a go at me for washing my car.
this poxy labour government is making this country more and more of a nanny state every day. can't wait till muppet brown gets voted out next year. |
A few kits are apparently available for waste water although the only one i have ever seen myself is the one polished bliss use.
i suspect the laws may change quite soon, i would take great delight in seeing the dodgy ones get closed down to be honest, for far to long people have just taken the piss with the whole hand washing thing, in car parks, behind pubs, where ever they can, most of them are never run legally and it is simply not fair to the people who have done things by the book, at increased cost i agree it sucks for the average joe who just wants to clean his car at home, but this would not have all came about, if it were not for the 2 bit sponge jockeys starting up in all the laybys and car parks to make a quick buck. as i said above, it should not make to much difference to me nowadays, but if this law was brought in a few years back it would have saved me a vast fortune as we had to "battle" with 3 groups of immigrant clowns who setup around us to try and steal custom, nothing wrong with competitors trying to gain customers IMO as long as they are doing it legally |
Am I the only one that can see a plus here?
If you're not allowed to clean your car, your number-plate can be very dirty, very quickly, so PC Thief sat behind his scamera can't identify you;) |
Originally Posted by GC8WRX
(Post 7544177)
Fcuk them all, i WILL wash my scoob and no government pr1ck will stop me!!
If they start being arseholes about it i will just go to my mums and wash it there, she lives in the country and has a drive that goes round the side of the house, and the neighbours are ok, i doubt i will be seen cleaning it there!! If it becomes a real problem, i might charge people to use said drive while my mum is out! |
I'm having my driveway redone at the start of the year and there is no drains.
The is the law now stating basically that. 1.) No water my leave my drive and go onto anyone elses 2.) No water can go onto the road 3.) No water can go down any drains It's already in practice those laws so they've new surfaces to retain the water and let it naturally go. We're having the driveway done with a small green garden area, the drive will be sloped at a 20mm drop so all the water will now head into this green area. I was told that this will be perfectly fine against these new laws? |
Found this from the Environment Agency but only a guidline, I guess they could shut down the cowboy Eastern European bucket and spong mobs though?
http://publications.environment-agen...07BMDX-e-e.pdf I'm pretty sure all the local supermarkets who allow these cowboys to operate are not following these guidlines. |
at the moment the guidelines are a bit of a pain to enforce as they have to jump via some hoops to get a conviction.
i expect the lobby groups are trying to get everything clarified so the local authorities can shut places down without so much red tape. |
Why's this such an issue?
Making sure large or commercial vehicle washes to the foul sewer has been enforced for at least 30 years and I prosecuted a couple of companies for this problem when working for Anglian Water in the early 90's. The PPG note is just guidance for anyone wanting to install a unit - but it's a summary of what has been known for years. As for water from washing as car at home, before that issue is ever looked at, there are more important pollution issues to deal with such as road salt run-off during the winter. |
Originally Posted by Butty
(Post 8359752)
Why's this such an issue?
As for water from washing as car at home, before that issue is ever looked at, there are more important pollution issues to deal with such as road salt run-off during the winter. washing your car at home is now banned in various other countries, because apparently it is an issue. |
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